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vivi
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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 Posted - 29/04/2019 : 04:30:06
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| Any information on relatives or friends that he may have gone to be with or near when he emigrated. Any guess as to where in America where he might have wanted to settle? |
Edited by - AntonH on 29/04/2019 04:30:41 |
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vivi
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Posted - 29/04/2019 : 11:28:17
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Hi
As I have understood it from oral sources they had no idea where he went.
The family he left behind in Norway did not hear from him after he left in 1864 according to the article. The article is a sort of APB urging Kittil to get in touch or anyone who might know where he is to tell, if not Kittil will be declared for dead.
His son Olaus born 25 may 1847 emigrated to US. Here in Portage, Wisconsin 1920: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFVM-47G
I have not found his emigration either, but since they had to issue an APB for Kittel in 1889 I suppose his son did not know where his father was either.
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peder
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Posted - 29/04/2019 : 12:18:29
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from a family tree site called my heritage, which is a paid subscription membership I found this info which seems to be your area of interest.
Kittil Herbrandsen
1809 - ?
Birth: 1809
Midtstigen Nore
Family members
Parents: Herbrand Svendsen Sælebakken
Tønni Svendsen Sælebakken (født Kittelsdatter)
Wife: LiveKristine Herbrandsen (født Sørensdatter)
1812 – 1888
Children:
: Turine Marie Svendsen (født Herbrandsen)
1835 - ?
Hans Jørgen Herbrandsen
1840 - ?
Anne Sofie Narvesen (født Herbrandsen)
1842 - ?
Olaves Herbrandsen
1847 - ?
Anne Sofie Herbrandsen
1837 - 1839
Anne Sofie Narvesen (født Kittelsdatter)
1842 - ?
Lina Arnesen Langebro (født Herbrandsen)
1844 - ?
Source
Family site:
Moen Web Site
author-Bjørg Brunsvik
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peder
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Posted - 29/04/2019 : 12:20:51
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Livekristine Herbrandsen (born Sørensdatter)
1812 - 1888
Birth: 1812
Slutente Haugsoteie
Death: Nov 13 1888
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vivi
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Norway
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Posted - 29/04/2019 : 12:33:09
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Hi
This is the family of Kittil.
Those who asked me for help know about the decendants and ancestors of Kittil.
But they don't know what happened to him after he left his family!
When Live Kirstine died it is written in the "dødsfall-protokoll" (probate register?) that Kittil had left for America about 20 years ago.
So looking for Kittilin US is what they and I need help to do. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 29/04/2019 : 13:15:58
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| Looking for information in Norway is to see if there might be any other name, such as a farm name that Kittel might be known as in US... |
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vivi
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Norway
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Posted - 29/04/2019 : 13:39:28
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Hi
Yes, I know.
This family moved around a bit.
When Kittil left they lived at a cotters place called Ullsstadplass (Ulvstadplass) in Lyngdal, Flesberg.
I have not found clues in Norway, but I know many here are much better detectives than I am... |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/04/2019 : 15:09:35
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Here are Olaus Kittelson and his family in 1880:
Name Hariet Olius
Event Type Census
Event Date 1880
Event Place Spring Green, Sauk, Wisconsin, United States
Gender Female
Age 35
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race WH
Occupation Housekeeper
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Relationship to Head of Household Dau
Birth Year (Estimated) 1845
Birthplace Norway
Father's Birthplace Norway
Mother's Birthplace Norway
Sheet Letter A
Sheet Number 231
Person Number 1
Volume 2
Kittle Oleson Self M 65 Norway
Hariet Olius Daughter F 35 Norway
Kittleson Olius Son-in-law M 34 Norway
Minnie Olius Granddaughter F 5 Iowa, United States
Caroline A Olius Granddaughter F 3 Iowa, United States
Govwin C Olius Grandson M 1 Iowa, United States
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1880," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNHN-K5L : 14 September 2017), Hariet Olius in entry for Kittle Oleson, 1880; citing enumeration district ED 261, sheet 231A, NARA microfilm publication T9 (Washington D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, n.d), roll 1446; FHL microfilm 1,255,446.
Olaus is a minister of gospel but maybe not Norwegian Lutheran since he isn't in Norske Luthereske Prester i Amerika. Apparently he is Congregational, he is mentioned as having been ordained in 1887 in the Lemonweir district convention minutes in 1898.
Here is wife Harriet's obit, such as it is found at FAG:
Town of Eau Pleine Pioneer is Dead
Junction City, WI - Mrs Harriet Kittleson, one of the oldest and best known pioneers of the town of Eau Pleine, died Wednesday morning at her home at 503 Church Street, Stevens Point, where she and her daughter Caroline have lived for the past year.
Mrs Kittleson, nee Harriet Olson, was born in Norway 83 years ago. She is survived by her husband O. Kittleson, two daughters, and one son. She has been confined to her bed for a number of years, and moved to Stevens Point a year ago to receive medical treatment.
Burial will be made in Runkels Cemetery.
Wisconsin Rapids Daily Tribune
Thursday, 13 Oct 1927
Harriet in Sauk county in 1870:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZ2S-6RP?i=14&cc=1438024 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 29/04/2019 16:12:22 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/04/2019 : 17:17:33
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Wisconsin seems to have potential.
Kittel Oleson
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Kittel Oleson
Birth Date: 14 Apr 1815
Death Date: 12 Apr 1896
Cemetery: Big Hollow Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Spring Green, Sauk County, Wisconsin, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
1870
And the family in 1860
Harriet Ohlson
in the 1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Harriet Ohlson
Age: 15
Birth Year: abt 1845
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Norway
Home in 1860: Spring Green, Sauk, Wisconsin
Post Office: Spring Green
Dwelling Number: 1014
Family Number: 995
Household Members:
Name Age
Kettle Ohlson 40
Julie Ohlson 70
Harriet Ohlson 15
Borgia Ohlson 11
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Edited by - AntonH on 29/04/2019 22:54:55 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/04/2019 : 17:32:14
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Olaus Kittelson in 1900 in Portage Wisconsin
1900
First child was born in Iowa
Minnie Kittleson Anderson
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: Minnie Kittleson Anderson
[Wilhelmina Kittleson]
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 1 Aug 1875
Birth Place: Spencer Clay, Iowa
Father: Olaus Kittleson
Mother: Harriet Olson
SSN: 501509382
Notes: Jan 1963: Name listed as MINNIE KITTLESON ANDERSON |
Edited by - AntonH on 29/04/2019 18:08:39 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 29/04/2019 : 18:18:10
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The value of searching Olaus is that if he actually came in 1860 or 1861, he was very young to do that on his own. Not impossible just improbable that he wouldn't have had an adult with. Since the travel of both Kittel and Olaus are not established certainly, it's possible that they came together.
In the 1865 census for Live it says her husband has been gone a long time. If he left in 1864, is 2 years a long time or would 4 years be more likely to be considered a long time?
Portage county legal action on Olaus Kittleson, insanity case 1927-28:
https://www.co.portage.wi.us/home/showdocument?id=2149 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 29/04/2019 18:31:17 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/04/2019 : 01:49:42
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Here is the post from Disnorge. Not any real new information there but it is worth taking a quick look at.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/04/2019 : 06:24:35
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Might Kittil have become an Olson instead of an Herbrandson? There is no one else in the household with him named Kittleson....
Name: Kittle Oleson
Age in 1870: 61
Birth Year: abt 1809
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 86
Home in 1870: Utica, Chickasaw, Iowa
Race: White
Gender: Male
Occupation: Farmer
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Male Citizen over 21: Y
Personal Estate Value: 1000
Real Estate Value: 1000
Household Members:
Name Age
Kittle Oleson 61
Source Citation
Year: 1870; Census Place: Utica, Chickasaw, Iowa; Roll: M593_381; Page: 598B; Family History Library Film: 545880
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1870 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
Kittil as a name is often Anglicized to Charles:
Name: Charles Canolson
Age in 1870: 63
Birth Year: abt 1807
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 46
Home in 1870: Martell, Pierce, Wisconsin
Race: White
Gender: Male
Occupation: Farmer
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Canolson 63
Source Citation
Year: 1870; Census Place: Martell, Pierce, Wisconsin; Roll: M593_1731; Page: 328A; Family History Library Film: 553230
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1870 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
And Charles is often abreviated to Chas. (Frankly I'd infer Mira as a wife and mother to the other two than inferring her as a child of Chas):
Name: Chas Espe
Age in 1870: 61
Birth Year: abt 1809
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 44
Home in 1870: New York Ward 9 District 10 (2nd Enum), New York, New York
Gender: Male
Occupation: Salesman
Inferred Children: Mira Espe
Emma Espe
Grace Espe
Household Members:
Name Age
Chas Espe 61
Mira Espe 33
Emma Espe 8
Grace Espe 6
Source Citation
Year: 1870; Census Place: New York Ward 9 District 10 (2nd Enum), New York, New York; Roll: M593_1022; Page: 311A; Family History Library Film: 552521
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1870 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
And for a completely off the wall possibility:
Name: Jac Hadell
Age in 1870: 61
Birth Year: abt 1809
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 1575
Home in 1870: Chicago Ward 11, Cook, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Occupation: Boot Crimper
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Inferred Children: Conrad Hadell
Household Members:
Name Age
Jac Hadell 61
Conrad Hadell 30
Source Citation
Year: 1870; Census Place: Chicago Ward 11, Cook, Illinois; Roll: M593_206; Page: 162B; Family History Library Film: 545705
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1870 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch.
And another off the wall and completely Anglicized:
Name: George Hamilton
Age in 1870: 60
Birth Year: abt 1810
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: McGregor Ward 3, Clayton, Iowa
Race: White
Gender: Male
Occupation: Laborer
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Male Citizen over 21: Y
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hamilton 60
Source Citation
Year: 1870; Census Place: McGregor Ward 3, Clayton, Iowa; Roll: M593_383; Page: 378B; Family History Library Film: 545882
Source Information
Ancestry.com. 1870 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2009. Images reproduced by FamilySearch. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 30/04/2019 07:20:54 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/04/2019 : 17:28:16
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Here is an interesting one in Iowa, Age is off a little and could he be in America in 1856 and who is Halvor. They are both listed as having been in residence for two years.
Kittle Herbrandson
in the Iowa, State Census Collection, 1836-1925
Name: Kittle Herbrandson
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1823
Birth Place: Norway
Residence Date: 1856
Residence Place: Decorah, Winneshiek, Iowa, USA
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Halvor Herbrandson 30
Kittle Herbrandson 33
In 1860
Kittle Herbrandson
in the 1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Kittle Herbrandson
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1820
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Norway
Home in 1860: Madison, Winneshiek , Iowa
Post Office: Decorah
Dwelling Number: 418
Family Number: 396
Occupation: Farmer
Personal Estate Value: 650
Household Members:
Name Age
Lars Erickson 30
Ingri Erickson 28
Albert Herbrandson 37
Kittle Herbrandson 40
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What happened to Kittil Herbrandsen?
