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PhilMyhre
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 Posted - 27/01/2025 : 20:28:11
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| I am revisiting a voyage of the SS Courier and trying to locate a passenger list for the sailing in 1857 from Christiana/Christiansand to Hull of a family relative shown as arriving in Hull - 'Myhre'. |
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 28/01/2025 : 16:09:42
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| There are no surviving passenger lists for the intermediate ships between Norway and England from that period. |
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 28/01/2025 : 16:09:50
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| How do you know they were on that ship? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 28/01/2025 : 16:55:46
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| " family relative shown as arriving in Hull " Also I would be curious as to the source of this information. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/01/2025 : 16:59:06
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Borge, when I posted my comment above this is what pops up on my computer screen.
"The page cannot be displayed because an internal server error has occurred."
However when I close my connection to Norway Heritage and reconnect I see that my comment posted as normal.
What's our with that?
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Borge
Veteran Moderator
Norway
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Posted - 28/01/2025 : 23:17:36
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Originally posted by AntonH
Borge, when I posted my comment above this is what pops up on my computer screen.
"The page cannot be displayed because an internal server error has occurred."
However when I close my connection to Norway Heritage and reconnect I see that my comment posted as normal.
What's our with that?
It is caused by a technical problem, likely just another issue related to the ones we have discussed before. |
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PhilMyhre
Junior member
New Zealand
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Posted - 23/06/2026 : 05:00:43
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Originally posted by AntonH
" family relative shown as arriving in Hull " Also I would be curious as to the source of this information.
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PhilMyhre
Junior member
New Zealand
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Posted - 23/06/2026 : 05:11:14
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[quote]Originally posted by PhilMyhre
[quote]Originally posted by AntonH
" family relative shown as arriving in Hull " Also I would be curious as to the source of this information.
I hope you see this as it is quite some time ago your comments were posted.
I have a copy of an arrival record for the ss Courier arrival Hull 1857, from 'Christiania' with two others, one ' Peter Ulleberg' ? and 'Myhre', occupations 'Mechanick' and, 'M ??stee' occupation 'Merchant'. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/06/2026 : 05:23:00
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| Phil, you stated above that you have a copy of an arrival record for the SS Courier arrival into Hull in 1857. Can you post or upload a copy of that document for viewing. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 23/06/2026 : 22:00:57
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Just for curiosity sake, I queried the Google AI tool Gemini. Here is its response..
The short answer is no, there are no surviving passenger lists for the Courier (or other feeder ships) traveling from Norway to England or Germany during this specific period.
If you are tracking an ancestor who took this route in 1857, it can be an incredibly frustrating roadblock. This context explains why these records are missing and outlines alternative strategies to track down your family's journey.
Why the Records Are Missing
The paddle steamer S/S Courier (operated by the North Europe Steam Navigation Company and later the Wilson Line) was a well-known "feeder" ship. In 1857, under the command of Captain D. Fairburn, it regularly ran a route from Christiania (Oslo), calling at Christiansand, and crossing the North Sea to Hull, England.
Norway Heritage
The lack of passenger lists comes down to how these voyages were legally classified:
The British Loophole: The British Board of Trade strictly mandated passenger manifests for transatlantic ships leaving UK ports. However, ships arriving from continental Europe or Scandinavia were viewed as short-distance, domestic-style ferry runs. Manifests for these short North Sea crossings were rarely generated, and the few that were have not survived.
The Norwegian Paradox: Norway did not begin legally requiring police departments to keep comprehensive, centralized emigrant protocols until 1867. Before that year, departures on local steamships were largely treated as routine commercial travel rather than historic emigration events.
Alternative Strategies to Trace Your Ancestors
Just because the Courier’s direct manifest is gone doesn't mean the trail goes cold. Because most passengers taking the Courier to Hull or Germany were using it as the first leg of a much larger journey (often to the United States or Canada), you can look for their footprints before they boarded or after they landed.
1. Norwegian Church Parish Records (Kirkebøker)
Before leaving their home parish, Norwegians were legally supposed to clear their move with the local pastor. Look for the "Utflyttede" (Emigrated/Departed) section of the parish register for 1857.
What you'll find: These lists usually note the date of departure, the names of the individuals or families, and their intended destination (often generically listed as "Amerika").
2. Transatlantic Arrival Lists (The Second Leg)
If your ancestors were crossing the North Sea to Hull, they likely took a train across England to Liverpool, where they boarded a larger sailing ship bound for North America.
Quebec Arrivals: In 1857, the vast majority of Norwegian emigrants chose to sail to Quebec because British navigation laws made it cheaper than sailing directly to US ports.
New York Arrivals: Look through the Castle Garden passenger lists for late spring or summer 1857.
3. Passport and Moving Records
Check the local city or regional digital archives (Statsarkivet) for Christiania or Christiansand. While full passenger lists are missing, some local police jurisdictions kept records of passports issued or travel permits granted to citizens heading abroad in the 1850s. |
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AntonH
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 23/06/2026 : 22:30:38
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A extension of my original prompt gets this info.
The collection you found on Ancestry, "England, Alien Arrivals, 1810-1811, 1826-1869," is technically a digitised version of the Home Office and Customs records (specifically series like HO 2, HO 3, and CUST 102).
1. The Nature of the Collection
This collection is essentially a combination of various administrative records regarding "aliens" (non-British citizens) in the UK. Most of these records are not comprehensive passenger lists. They are fragmented, incomplete, and often focused on specific ports or administrative requirements that were inconsistently applied.
GenGuide
HO 3 (Returns of alien passengers): These were reports the ships' masters were supposed to file under the Aliens Act of 1836. By 1857, compliance with this act had significantly declined, and many masters simply stopped filing these lists.
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Missing Data: Many of these records for the mid-19th century were never preserved, or were destroyed in the decades following their creation.
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