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dalebaskets
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Borge
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 Posted - 09/03/2026 : 11:42:53
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You do not specify which dates you believe should be changed. What I can say with certainty, based on several sources, is that the ship Concordia left Christiania on April 24, 1873. I see that the archives in Canada use a different date. That date is clearly incorrect and actually refers to the date of the captain’s signature on the passenger list.
I should also note that if the dates given on the Canadian archive’s website were correct, the crossing with this company would have been exceptionally fast. When it comes to departure and arrival dates from that period, we often find different dates being used. For example, a ship might have been cleared to sail on one date, but due to weather or sailing conditions the actual departure might not have taken place until the following day or several days later.
For arrivals, we also see different reference points being used: the date when the pilot came aboard, the date when the ship reached the quarantine harbor, the date when the ship anchored at its destination, or the date when the passengers actually disembarked.
Both departure and arrival dates were often published in newspapers based on telegrams, and this was also the case for the voyage of the Concordia in 1873. There are also a few articles describing the situation of the passengers who went to Molson’s Ironworks in Moisie. |
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dalebaskets
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Posted - 09/03/2026 : 23:28:02
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Originally posted by Borge
You do not specify which dates you believe should be changed. What I can say with certainty, based on several sources, is that the ship Concordia left Christiania on April 24, 1873. I see that the archives in Canada use a different date. That date is clearly incorrect and actually refers to the date of the captain’s signature on the passenger list.
I should also note that if the dates given on the Canadian archive’s website were correct, the crossing with this company would have been exceptionally fast. When it comes to departure and arrival dates from that period, we often find different dates being used. For example, a ship might have been cleared to sail on one date, but due to weather or sailing conditions the actual departure might not have taken place until the following day or several days later.
For arrivals, we also see different reference points being used: the date when the pilot came aboard, the date when the ship reached the quarantine harbor, the date when the ship anchored at its destination, or the date when the passengers actually disembarked.
Both departure and arrival dates were often published in newspapers based on telegrams, and this was also the case for the voyage of the Concordia in 1873. There are also a few articles describing the situation of the passengers who went to Molson’s Ironworks in Moisie.
Thank you for such a quick response and all the helpful details. I'm new to reviewing these type of sources and to your excellent site, so I'm just trying to reconcile the information I'm finding. The date of arrival is particularly important for me because I'm trying to square my ggg-grandfather's arrival with the birth of his daughter later that year in 1873, because I have a legal application I'm filing that relies on precision on the family's movements in that year. To that end, where can I find the sources you mention that inform the dates and description on this site?
On the Molson Ironworks event, I found some articles about it after reading your entry, it's truly fascinating. Now I'm wondering if my ancestors were included in those arrested!
One last side question--I've seen records of a Concordia ship leaving Quebec on the way to Plymouth wrecking later in 1873. Is this the same ship? |
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Borge
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Posted - 10/03/2026 : 09:38:14
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There is a note at the bottom of the passenger list which states:
“Captain Christiansen has debarked two hundred and seventeen Norwegian passengers from Christiania, also the doctoress for the passage. He has left here at Moisie Ironworks all in apparent good health … signed … Thos. Darling, J.P., Manager, Moisie Ironworks.”
Moisie, where the emigrants were going, is near Seven Islands. This is in eastern Quebec, and the place is now called Sept-Îles, located close to Moisie.
The way I interpret this is that the ship stopped near Moisie on May 29, where 217 passengers were disembarked, and then continued to Quebec, where it arrived on June 2 or 3. In a newspaper telegram, the date June 3 is given.
The ship left Quebec for the Clyde on June 23 and arrived at Greenock on July 22. It then departed the Clyde for Quebec again on August 8. I therefore do not believe that this Concordia is the same vessel that was wrecked near Lay Anguilla sometime around June 20. (Reported in Morgenbladet, June 27, 1873).
Contemporary Norwegian newspapers have been digitized by the Norwegian National Library (nb.no). However, I believe access is restricted and may not be available from IP addresses outside Norway.
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Mistake in entry for Concordia 1873 voyage?
