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BattMom4
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 Posted - 12/10/2005 : 17:04:13
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I am having a difficult time making progress on this family. A great deal of my info comes from a handwritten photocopied family tree. Part of my difficulty is that they appeared to immigrate during a lull, but before the 1865 census in Norway.
I gather that Nestru Landru are place references in Norway. Have they been shortened? I have seen similar names with an "erud" suffix where these names have an "ru". Is there a single place that puts these two names together? I have read that when people moved they changed their name, not added to it.
Margit had Fryderlund in parentheses on my family tree. It sounds like a place name to me, just improperly positioned ???
I have searched multiple combinations in the ship archives, taking the possiblity of the wrong year of immigration into account. What direction should I take?
Below is the information I have. Census references are also taken from the "family tree" and I have not been able to verify them.
I. Peder Larsson Nestru LANDRU was born in 1829 at Norway. He married Margit (Fryderlund) OLSON in 1857 at Norway. He immigrated in 1860. He died in 1910. (MN death index shows a Peter Landru, d. 04/22/1910, Douglas Co. MN and a Marget Landru, d. 6/6/1908 Douglas Co. MN)
A. Lars LANDRU was born in 1858 at WI. He married Betsy MODUM after 1874. He appeared on the census of 1910 at Canada. He lived, died or was buried at Beloit, WI before 1921. He died in 1921.
1. Mable LANDRU died at Age 5
2. Tobby LANDRU
3. Luella LANDRU
4. Manly LANDRU
5. Harris LANDRU
6. Vida LANDRU
B. Halvor P. LANDRU (Havorp in MN death index) was born in 1862 at WI. He married Anetta JOHNSON, daughter of Gundar Hoibersmoe JOHNSON and Anna Ingebrigtdtr BJERK, on 29 May 1897 at Moe, Douglas, Minnesota. He appeared on the census of 1910 at Melby. He died on 28 April 1947 at Douglas, MN.
1. Amy Mabel 'Mimi' LANDRU. Her Social Security Number was 472-32-3928. She was born on 8 April 1898 at MN. She married Clarence NEWHOUSE, son of Ole Kittleson NYHUS and Mina Olava TILLESKJOR, in 1920. She died on 4 October 1986 at MN, Douglas Co. Brandon, at age 88.
2. Gilford Perry LANDRU was born in 1899. He died in 1913.
3. Alta Hazel LANDRU was born in 1903. She died in 1971.
C. Liva LANDRU was born in 1866 at WI. She married Ole HANSON after 1885. She died in 1960.
D. Gonelia (Nella) LANDRU was born in 1868 at WI. She married Gundar KYLLO after 1885. She died in 1946.
1. Marion KYLLO was born in 1900.
2. Perry Grant KYLLO was born in 1904.
3. Margit KYLLO was born in 1908.
4. Gladys KYLLO was born in 1912.
E. Knut LANDRU died in 1853. He was born in 1870 at Clinton ?, Wi. He married Magda EGGEN after 1896. He appeared on the census of 1910 at Alexandria, Douglas, MN, USA.
1. Mildred LANDRU was born in 1903. She died in 1904.
2. Ansten LANDRU was born on 3 October 1906 at MN. He died on 26 May 1973 at Stearns, MN, at age 66.
F. Theodore LANDRU married Gina NELSON. He was born in 1874. He was Dalton, MN, possible census after 1905? He died in 1947.
1. Norman LANDRU was born in 1917. He died in 1954.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 12/10/2005 : 21:57:46
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Hi,
this must be your family in the 1880 census for Moe, Douglas, Minnesota!  click here
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation
Peder LARSON Self M Male W 50 NORWAY Farmer
Margeth LARSON Wife M Female W 51 NORWAY Keeping House
Lars LARSON Son S Male W 21 NORWAY At Home
Halvor LARSON Son S Male W 17 NORWAY At Home
Live LARSON Dau S Female W 14 WI
Conilia LARSON Dau S Female W 12 WI
Knud LARSON Son S Male W 9 MN
Theodore LARSON Son S Male W 5 MN
Lars and Halvor are born in Norway, while Live is born in Wisconsin, which indicates that the family emigrated between 1863-1866.
Are you sure about Margit's lastname being "Olsen"?
I found this marriage: click here
Peder Larsen
Margith Halvorsdr
Marriage: 28 DEC 1857, Rollag, Buskerud, Norway
And in Rollag, there is a farm called Landrud, which very well could become Landru 
This could be her christening record from Rollag, Buskerud, on 06 JUL 1828. Margith being a daughter of one "Halvor" would also fit in with their two oldest boys, being named after each grand-father! (Peder Larsen's father must have been one "Lars")
But to link these people to the Landrud farm would be a challenge...
I believe Frydenlund would be the farmname where Margith came from originally, or lived at at the time of marriage. Unfortunately, there's no Frydenlund farms in Rollag, but there is one in the Sigdal parish, just east of Rollag.
Another indication: Live could be named after Peder's mother, and Conilia is named after Margith's mother Gunne! I bet Conilia should read Gonilia... Gunne is a nickname for Gunild!
And what about Nestru? There is only 1 farm in Norway which are called something like that in the 1865-census and the name of that farm is Nestrud. And where is it located?
In Rollag, Buskerud!! In the 1865-census, the parish is spelled "Rolloug".
Nestrud farm in Rollag, 1865-census.
Landrud farm in Rollag, 1865-census.
The distance between the two farms is 7km (4.4 miles).
So where is Peder Larsen, born ca. 1830, and son of Lars and Live???
He probably won't be in the 1865-census, which was recorded in January 1866. But he must have left some kind of trace...?
The Rollag Bygdebok volume 1 page 347 have information about the Landrud farm... maybe worth a look?
Christening records for 1829-1831 for Rollag are not available online through LDS. There is one Peder Larsen born 1828 in Rollag, but isn't he a year too old...? And his mother being named Ingebor doesn't fit...
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 13/10/2005 03:08:58 |
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BattMom4
New on board
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Posted - 13/10/2005 : 07:19:54
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Jan Peter! You are incredible!
I must admit, I didn't know about the online census at familysearch. There are so many places to get lost in searching on the interenet, it is difficult to find all the best sites. In the states I utilized these resources at my FHC, but here in Germany (military) I have relied on the interenet for what progress I have made.
The family tree that I am working from is literally circles and boxes drawn on paper with names, years (no dates) and a few place names. There was little data to back anything up, so I have been working down the line verifying everything as I go.
Olson may well be an error considering that that generation has a few other errors (Lars was listed as being born in Wi, I noticed that it didn't match with the immigration date, but forgot to make that annotation in my post). However, Olsen is the name of Margrith Halvorsdtr, so it may be that she adopted that name rather than keep her father's first name.
I have run across Halvorsdr quite a few times and just stored it away. I have Margit's (and Peter's) death certificate coming, so I am hoping that it confirms what you have found. It will be a few weeks before they arrive.
Interesting work on the farm names. I think once upon a time a few days ago I might have been headed in the right direction, but then got distracted by all the "erud" possiblities. Talk about getting sidetracked ... I got so fixated on the forest, I could no longer see the tree!
Thank you so much for putting me back on track with the census info! I even found a whole other branch this morning using the familysearch link!!!!!!!
Lisa
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 13/10/2005 : 15:22:47
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Hi Lisa!
I'm glad if it could be to any help!
It sure does look like it could be a trace after these people in Rollag, Buskerud, but we haven't found anything to connect them to the Nestrud or Landrud farms yet.
I believe you should try to locate the original marriage record (LDS, microfilm) for this marriage: Peder Larsen & Margith Halvorsdr, marriage: 28 DEC 1857, Rollag, Buskerud, Norway, to see if it is anything in that record which connects these people to any of the mentioned farms. Their fathers could possibly also be mentioned.
The two farms Nestrud and Landrud are located in the "Veggli" area of Rollag. The christening records for that area at the time of Lars' and Halvor's birth are available online at LDS, but I could not find them there. So the boys might have been christened somewhere else... Maybe the family lived at a Frydenlund farm at that time???
ps: Nowadays, the farm names can also be seen spelled "Nesterud" and "Landerud"
The letter "d" is (normally) not pronounced when you say "Nestrud" or "Landrud" in Norwegian, so it would make sence to remove the letter...
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 13/10/2005 15:23:57 |
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BattMom4
New on board
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Posted - 13/10/2005 : 19:09:10
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Thanks Peter. That clarified things even further. I am back in the search!
Tschus,
Lisa |
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Jean Marthaler
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 13/10/2005 : 22:14:22
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Hi, I have the Rollag bygdeboks, I checked the Landrud farm and did not find any thing there. In looking at the Nesterud farm which is Bruk number 7 on Gard number 9 the Toen farm on page 203, I find the following information:
Første tong vi møter namet Nesterud, er i 1829, da Svein Gundersen Toen skreiv ut festebrev til Lars Torsen Nord Tveiten, f. 1796 og Live Knutsdatter Glaim, f. 1798. Eller at Lars måtte selja sin del av Nord Tveiten var dei nokre år i Glaimkøset som husmannsfolk. Så kom dei til Nesterrud. Dei tri yngste barna deira er født der. 6 av barna drog til Amerika, den første, Margit, i 1839 og den siste, Per, i 1861. Foreldra emigrera i 1860. Sjå Nord Tveiten.
Lars dreiv som snikkar ved snikkar ved sida av arbeidet som høyrde sjølve plassen til. Av rekneskapsbøker går det fram at han både var med i husbygging og at han snikker kister, senger, reiskap m.v.
På Lofthus bygde han seterhus.
Da Lars og Live Neserud var farne, flutte Herbrand Herbrandson frå Herbrandsplassen til Nesterud, men han dreiv framleis også Herbrandsplassen. Han betalte leige av Nesterrud frå 1861 og til 1880.
In looking at the Norwegian Immigrant to the United States books by Gerhard Naeseth I find Margit Larsdatter Glaim on page 83 of Volume 1, it says she immigrated in 1839 on the Emilie arriving in New York from Gothenburg, August 19, 1939. She went to Rock County, Wisconsin and married in 1939 to Gunnul Halvorsen Skagen who was also from Rollag. Margit is listed with Gunnul on page 89 of this book. She is listed here as Margit Larsdatter Nestru.
They lived there lives in Winnebago County, Illinois and Rock County, Wisconsin and are buried in Luther Valley Lutheran Cemetery, which is in Rock County. They had a number of children.
I will check the Nord Tveiten farm for Lars and Live and see what it says there about the family. Let me know if you want any scans of these pages from these books. My e-mail address is marwendt@astound.net JEAN |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/10/2005 : 22:27:28
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Wow!
It would really make sence if Lars & Live was Peder's parent's!! Live is the one I've been looking for, since I believe she have a grand-daughter named after her...
Children of Lars Thorsen & Live Knudsdr (from LDS):
Knud Larsen, Christening: 25 JUL 1817, Rollag, Buskerud, Norway
Margith Larsdr, Christening: 26 MAR 1820, Rollag, Buskerud, Norway
Thoer Larsen, Christening: 13 OCT 1822, Rollag, Buskerud, Norway
Ansten Larsen, Birth: 06 Dec 1836, Christening: 26 Dec 1836, Rollag, Buskerud, Norway
Gunder Larsen, Birth: 28 Aug 1840, Christening: 06 Sep 1840, Rollag, Buskerud, Norway
There is a gap between Thoer and Ansten, where Peder easily could fit in... And that timeframe (1828-1835) are not available online!
Source Information:
Batch Number: C428473
Source Dates: 1814 - 1828
Film or Fiche Number: 124119
Collection Details: Veggli; Den Norske Kirke
Source Information:
Batch Number: C428482
Source Dates: 1835 - 1877
Film or Fiche Number: 124119
Collection Details: Veggli; Den Norske Kirke
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Jean Marthaler
Junior member
USA
56 Posts |
Posted - 13/10/2005 : 22:35:38
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Hi, I also find the family on pages 156, 157 and 164 of Volume 2 of the Rollag books. They are listed on the Tveiten farm. There is too much to type all of it but part of it says:
Lars Torsen som i 1816 blei gift med Live Knutsdatter Glaim, hadde desse barna:
Knut, born in 1817, went to the USA in 1840
Margit, born in 1820, went to the USA in 1839
Tor, born in 1822, went to the USA in 1842
Peder born in 1829, went to the USA in 1861
Anne, born in 1834 married to Ole Halvorson Stordokk. Went to the USA
Anstein born in 1836, died in 1845
Gunnar born in 1840, went to the USA.
Etter at da Lars og Live laut selje sin del av Nord-Tveiten, dreiv dei som husmannsfolk-først nokre år i Glaimkøset, og så i kring 10 år i Toeiet (Nestrud) inn til dei drog til Amerika i 1860 dit alle barna etter kvart hadde reist.
Again let me know if you want scans of these pages sent to you and if you want me to see if I find the Knut and Tor in the Norwegian Immigrants to USA books.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 13/10/2005 : 22:48:40
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quote:
Originally posted by Jean Marthaler
Peder born in 1829, went to the USA in 1861
Case closed?
Jan Peter |
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Jean Marthaler
Junior member
USA
56 Posts |
Posted - 13/10/2005 : 23:04:32
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Hi again, now for the next part of this story. In the Rollag books, Volume 3 we find a husmannsplassen on the Bjørge farm and it is called FRYDENLUND. On pages 71 and 77 we find the following information. I won't type all of it but part of it.
Året etter - 1820 - er Halvor Olsson Høysethaugen, f. 1771, d. 1837, og Gonne Olsdotter Bergan s.f. 1785 d 1851, nemnde som husmannsfolkder. Dei kom fråsøre Bergan og flutte inn i Frydenlund omlag 1815 og blei der til dei døydde.
Halvor var son åt Ole Andersson og Turi Halvorsdotter Høysethaugen født omlag 1742. Gonne var dotter út Ola Jonnsson frå Nore og Liv Hølgjesdotter Gvammen født 1751. Dei budde i søre Bergan.
Av dei seks barna deir var dei fire yngste født in Frydenlund, fem voks opp. Halvor Olsson hadde frø før dottera Barbro, født 1803. med Sigrid Evensdotter. Barbro flutte 1824 il Hof i Vestfold.
Halvor og Gonnes barn:
Ola, born 1812 married Maria Eliasdatter Laskestad from Steigen. Glutte til Steigen 1852
Turi, born 1816, married Kristoffer Kristofferson Nyhus, born 1812, went to USA 1842 and lived in Wisconsin.
Liv, born 1820 married Tov Reirs, Flusås m. f. 1815
Gonne born 1824, married Hans Olsen, from Landfall in Lier, went to the USA
MARGIT, born 1828, married Peder Larsen Urde, born 1829 went to USA with 3 children.
On page 77 where the Utflutte are listed it says:
Margit Halvorsdatter Frydenlund, born 1828, married Peder Larsen Ure, born 1829. USA 1861 with 3 barn.
Kristi born 1848,
Lars born 1858
Gonne born 1860.
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On page 117 of the Rollag book, Volume 3 under the VÅSEDOKK farm we have the husmannsplass called URDE.
It says Gunnar Kittilson sto som eigar radt til 1858, da had selde til Peder Larsen Toeneiet eller Glaimeiet, samstundes som Gunnar Kittilsen sikra føderåd for seg og kona. Peder Larsen, født 1829 var gift med Margit Halvorsdotter Bjørgeeiet (Frydenlund), født 1828. Peder var son åt Lars Torsson Tveiten nord og Live Knutsdotter Glaim. Urdefolket selde i 1861 garden og drog til USA med sine tre barn: Kristi Olsdotter, Lars Pedersen født 1858 og Gonne Pedersdotter, født 1860. I want to point out that it does say Kristi OLSDOTTER here.
Jean
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BattMom4
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Posted - 15/10/2005 : 12:32:01
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Thank you all for the continued information. Switching gears into Norweigian is more difficult than I thought. With constantly switching surnames, my brain doesn't see this as clearly as it should. I am going to have to digest the information you have shared.
With sincere gratitude,
Lisa |
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