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Caroline Falk
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/01/2010 :  21:00:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am looking for information about Christian Falk.
He was born in Kristiansund or Christiansand in about 1840,
He was a mariner and married Elizabeth Biggs in Bristol in 1886. On the marriage certificate he named his Father as Peter Falk
I would love to hear from anyone who may be related to me or who may be able to help with my search.
Many thanks Caroline Falk

AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 22/01/2010 :  23:07:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You may already know all of what follows but I will post it just in case it is new to you.

In Ancestry.com for the 1891 English Census there is only one Christian Falk. As it turns out this Christian Falk was born abt 1841 in Norway and his wife is named Elizabeth. If this is your peson his place of birth is listed as Nated, Norway.

Name: Christian Falk
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Nated, Norway

Civil parish: Burton Extra
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

I am not sure how much faith to put into the name Nated. When I look at the original census form it is clear he wa born in Norway but the information following the word Norway is impossible for me to read. It may be that the words are Nautralized British Citizen and the Nated is actuallyi the shortened word for Natuarilized.

Edited by - AntonH on 22/01/2010 23:36:41
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 22/01/2010 :  23:21:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He and his wife Elizabeth pop up again in the 1901 Census but no additional information was found about his birth place.

Name: Christian Folk
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Norway

Civil parish: Burton Extra
Ecclesiastical parish: Burton upon Trent All Saints
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 22/01/2010 :  23:30:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a look at the family from an earlier time from the 1881 Cesnsu and also from Ancestry.com I noticed you listed a wedding date of 1886 and I wonder if you meant 1868.

Name: Christian Falk
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizth.
Gender: Male
Where born: (Naturalized British Subject), Norway

Civil parish: Burton Upon Trent
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 44 King St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Labr In Timberyard
Registration district: Burton Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Burton Upon Trent
Household Members: Name Age
Christian Falk 39
Elizth. Falk 37
Jos.J. Falk 12
Edwd Falk 10


Edited by - AntonH on 22/01/2010 23:39:28
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 22/01/2010 :  23:51:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A good candidate for your Christian Falk is Christian August Falk in the 1865 census for Christiansund.
He was a First Mate 24 years old.
Unfortunately the parish records for Christiansund was destroyed by fire for the periode of his birth, it should be noted as 1842.
His parents were sailmaker Christian Rogert Falk and Anne Sophie, née Sivertsdatter.
His brother Christopher Adolph was born July 13 1838, see #25.
Christian Rogert Falk and Anna Sophie Sivertsdatter were married May 22 1834, see #12.
Christian Rogert was then 30 years old and his father was Hans R. Falk.
Anna Sophie was 23 years old and her father was Sivert Sivertsen.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 23/01/2010 08:48:51
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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 23/01/2010 :  00:05:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Searching the 1865 Norwegian Census turns up the following Christian Falk born in 1842. His fathers name however is not Peter but rather Christian Rogert. You can click on the link and go to that page.

NHDC

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AntonH
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USA
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Posted - 23/01/2010 :  00:09:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Searching the 1865 Norway Census using Digitalarkivet turns up the same family.

1865 Census
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AntonH
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USA
8638 Posts

Posted - 23/01/2010 :  00:24:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The 1871 English Census clearly shows his birth place as Christiansund as well. Making Christian August a good canidate.

Name: Christian Falk
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Christiansund, Norway
Civil parish: Horninglow
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Burton Upon Trent
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Burton Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Burton upon Trent
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eibache
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Norway
6495 Posts

Posted - 23/01/2010 :  00:44:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anna Sophies father Sivert Sivertsen and his mother Brynille Tølløvsdatter in the
1801 census.
Christian Augusts father Christian Roggert Falk was born out of wedlock March 17 1803 on Edøy, see 5th record on left page. His mother was Aleth Echoff and the father Hans Rasmus Falck.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 23/01/2010 08:50:05
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 23/01/2010 :  08:34:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Aleth Margrethe Echoff in the 1801 census living as a step-daughter to Isak Hals Iversen.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 23/01/2010 08:59:12
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Caroline Falk
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/01/2010 :  19:03:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for all your research. It does look as though I should follow the lead of Christian August Falk. Maybe the Peter Falk mentioned on the 1868 marriage certificate may have been some kind of middle name that was one he preferred to use. I will continue to search.
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Caroline Falk
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Posted - 25/01/2010 :  19:36:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anyone know how I would get hold of a copy of a Birth Certificate for Christian August Falk born 1842 and mentioned in the 1865 Norwegian Census - 1865 Census has link above.
Thank you
Caroline Falk
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eibache
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Norway
6495 Posts

Posted - 25/01/2010 :  20:21:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No need to post your question in two topics.
I did find part of his confirmation record, he was baptized June 27 1842, see
4th record from bottom, the part you will see is "tian August Falk D D 27/6, 42 Styrm. Christian R. Falk og H Anna Sophie".
This is the best I can do for you.

Einar
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Hopkins
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USA
3342 Posts

Posted - 25/01/2010 :  22:18:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There would not be "birth certificates" for that time period, those are entirely a modern fashion. The best primary source you could hope for would be a notation of the child's birth/baptism in the local parish church books. As you were informed above, the parish records for that particular birth/baptism time and place no longer exist.
So the record of the young boy's confirmation in the Lutheran church as given just above by Einar is the best you will find. Capture that online image and/or print it and you have the best source available to you.
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Caroline Falk
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 28/01/2010 :  19:15:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Many thanks for your help.
Is there any way to find out if there are any living relative of Christian Falk?
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Hopkins
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USA
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Posted - 28/01/2010 :  21:46:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looking for living relatives in Norway is NOT a simple task.

If you have living relatives in Norway who are interested in their family history and perhaps also descended from the same people that you are - then you might encounter them in your work or in online searches. This means that you should understand the basics of traditional Norwegian naming and good research techniques and will have to be able to actually identify an ancestor who came from Norway and know at least something about the location(s) where they lived. I've encountered persons in the US and in Norway who were actively researching the same ancestors as myself - to the surprise of both of us. Finding living relatives was never our goal.

Norway, like the US, has privacy rules in place for a period time for censuses, etc. This can make such a search for living relatives again more "challenging".

You can consider sending a personal interest story to a newspaper in Norway - of course, in the area where your ancestors came from. John Follesdal has written an article about this possibility and some advice about how to make that effective -
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/na32.html

Look for and join a genealogy/history group in your ancestral area of Norway. Contact other genealogists researching the same area as you. A summary is available at DIS-Norge’s Slektforskerbasen at
www.disnorge.no/sfbasen/

In approaching people who are strangers be aware that they have very good cause to wonder WHY you want to make contact. There will be relatives who have no interest in family history, (Let me introduce you to my brothers...)
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