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Cojohn
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Posted - 02/10/2016 :  09:25:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After some time, I have a bit more information about my grandfather. Firstly, it is almost a certainty that he was of Russian ethnicity, but born in Riga. He died when Dad was 6 (he is now 95!) Only a couple of months ago, for the first time, Dad sang to us "God Save the Tsar" which his Dad taught him before he died! So Russian, rather than Latvian ethnicity. No self-respecting Latvian at that time would be teaching their child such a song!

Secondly, we traced through the wonderful archive network on ships crews and found the first British ship he sailed in -- the Hilltarn - was at the beginning of 1903. In the column for previous ship he wrote "Norwegian". So this is a clue as to when he left Norway. And his given age in 1903 was 27, ten years older than the age he was giving for his naturalisation in 1919. (??? He's led us a merry dance.) Anyway if this is his true age it means that he was born around 1876.

Thirdly, our dad also told us that his godfather was a great friend of my grandfather - a Norwegian by the name of Hjalmar Flinck. In 1915 he was 54, and was born in Larvig. He was a shipmate of my grandfather's, and possibly a link to my grandfather living in Norway. On all his ship's records up to 1916, my grandfather gives his place of origin as Christiania, so we are of the opinion that he lived there for some time, and that's where, for some reason, he decided to change his name from Kushkin (however it is spelt, it is Russian, rather than Latvian).

On the matter of name change, in the earliest records he is Daniel Switensen, and there is no suggestion of William. That came later.
Yes, he's led us a merry dance.

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lyndal40
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Posted - 02/10/2016 :  17:19:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well there are not a lot of Hjalmar Flinck listed in the Norwegian Census. But here is one born abt 1859 from Larvik. Hjalmar Hedevald Flink

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038107001109

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1865&knr=0707&kenr=000&bnr=0104&lnr=00

His occupation is listed as sailor in the 1885 Census.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/nn-no/ft/person/pf01053272001123

May have died in England in 1942

Hjalmar H Flinck
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Hjalmar H Flinck
Birth Date: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Mar 1942
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 535

May have also married in Cardiff

Hjalmar H Flinck
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Hjalmar H Flinck
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1917
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Spouse: Margaret Flynn
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 773

Edited by - lyndal40 on 02/10/2016 17:36:00
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lyndal40
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Posted - 02/10/2016 :  19:09:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Most likely his baptism record from Ancestry.com

Hjalmar Hedevald Carl Martinsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Hjalmar Hedevald Carl Martinsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 26 sep 1859
Baptism Date: 23 okt 1859 (23 Oct 1859)
Baptism Place: Brevik, Telemark, Norway
Father: Carl Martin Flinck
Mother: Anne Gurine Jacobsdr
FHL Film Number: 278267
Reference ID: 2:1P09NXX

Official record see number 63

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051011060777

Edited by - lyndal40 on 02/10/2016 19:12:59
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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/10/2016 :  01:03:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did you contact David Yaw tor his help gathering some additional records on your guy?
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David Yaw
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Posted - 08/10/2016 :  12:55:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

Most likely his baptism record from Ancestry.com

Hjalmar Hedevald Carl Martinsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Hjalmar Hedevald Carl Martinsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 26 sep 1859
Baptism Date: 23 okt 1859 (23 Oct 1859)
Baptism Place: Brevik, Telemark, Norway
Father: Carl Martin Flinck
Mother: Anne Gurine Jacobsdr
FHL Film Number: 278267
Reference ID: 2:1P09NXX

Official record see number 63

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20051011060777




When it became clear a second war was looming, the British Government embarked on a "census" in early 1939, in essence to figure out where able bodied men were living and their occupations.

So, in 1939 K?Jalmar H Finck (dob 26 September 1859) and his wife Margaret (dob 3 Sept 1889) were living at 3 East Terrace Cardiff. It must be all of a mile from there to the old Cardiff Docks - just the sort of area a retired seaman might live. (As did my Norwegian great-grandfather)

Hjalmar died in Cardiff in Q1 1942 aged 82. Margaret died about 6 years later in Q3 1948, also in Cardiff, aged just 58. She was 30 years younger than Hjalmar - he was almost 60 when they married in 1917. So its unlikely they had any children who just might have had descendants with knowledge of his friendship with Sweetensen - at least there don't appear to be any records of such children.

Hjalmar's dob coincides exactly with that found by Lyndal - must surely be one and the same person.

He doesn't come up in a search of the 1911 UK census, so presumably came to UK after that.

Able Seaman H H Flinck is listed as a crew member on the Eustace (Official Number 135889) in 1915. Aged 54, place of birth Larvik, previous ship Star of Ireland out of Belfast. (See National Maritime Museum record BT400/3981/3) Can't find Sweetenson on the same search, but might be worth getting the crew list agreement in case his name was mistranscribed)

Hjalmar Hedvald Flinck resident in Cardiff was granted naturalisation under certificate A 13158 issued 22 March 1926.(National Archives record HO144/5686)

Just hope one of these records of Flinck might yield another clue on Sweetensen.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/10/2016 :  01:29:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the beginning of the s surnames in the index to Oslo sailor registrations. This index covers 1866-1930. I searched for both Kuskin and Sweetensen but found no entries for anyone with those surnames. However you may want to search yourself:

SAO, Oslo sjømannskontor, F/Fa/L0002: Register for Kristiania krets, 1866-1930, p. 433-434
Quick link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/ru10040910220170
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Cojohn
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Posted - 23/03/2020 :  08:14:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Here are sailors on ships in 1900 in the special census schedule who were born in Riga, found none listed as born in Latvia:

Modest Anikief 1881 Riga ug Letmatros : Helga Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
August Kera 1873 Riga ug Fyrbøder : Hilda Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
John Rathart 1854 Riga (Rusland) ug 3die Maskinist : Hugin Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Hans Gude 10.02.1878 Riga Rusland ug Bodsmand : Oscar 2 Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Georg Tedor 1875 Riga ug Matros : Carmel Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Ricard Straoas 1871 Riga ug Matros : Carmel Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Edvard Tærniann 01.04.1878 Riga Ved ikke Ungmand : Aicadia Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Mathias Blumberg 1874 Riga ug Matros : Fridtjof Nansen Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Jakob Losseman 1878 Riga ug Letmatros : Catharina Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Alexander Tumm?? 1884 Riga ug Lettmatros Kristiania: Margaretha Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Theodor Bergman 1876 Riga ug Matros Kristiansand: Nyland Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Fritz Dromme 1873 Riga Matros Bergen: Mines Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Julius Otto Wildenhoff 02.12.1878 Riga ug Trimmer : Argo Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Johan Asp 1853 Riga (Rusland) e Matros : Sigyn Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
John Boumann 1877 Riga ug Farbøder!! : Viken Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Karl Darsing 1875 Riga ug Matros : Inga Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Rolf Czevinski 1878 Riga ug Matros : Dronningen Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
John Paiso 1865 Riga Rusland ug Matros : Olaf Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Karl Kalning 1879 Riga ug Matros : Sappo Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Peter Kruse 1866 Riga ug Baadsmand : Aslaug Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Rickard Lahigis 1880 Riga ug Let Matros : Nagpore Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Hans Strenberg 1875 Riga ug Matros : Ophelia Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Karel Stenbærg 1873 Riga ug Matros : Senora Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Edvard Graslien 1881 Riga ug Matros : Senora Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Edvard Motle 1880 Riga ug Fyrbøder : Dalbeattie Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Frederik Dumberg 1883 Riga ug L matros : Prospect Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Berthel Borlin 1876 Riga ug Matros : Elida Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Alfred Palmgren 1875 Riga ug Matros : Sylvia Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
A Ronneberg !! Riga (Russ) ug Jungmand : Hanseat Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Olaf Mankewist 1876 Riga ug Matros : Frithjof Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Petter Wilhelm 1882 Riga ug Jungmand : Malmen Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Wladimir Schiegen 1881 Riga ug Dæksgut : Infategable Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Carl Jamsohn 1853 Riga ug Matros Fredrikstad: Nesaia Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Jan Vikman 1875 Livland ug Stuert : Athene Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
David Martinson 1871 Wenden (Livland) ug Tømmermand : Souvenir Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Johan Rints !! Hapsa Livland ug Tømmermand : Edvard Percy Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
John Bersin 1872 Lifland ug Matros : Jens Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Rudolf Piss 1877 Lifland ug Matros : Vivax Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Goottlieb Rosenbauhm 1881 Lifland ug Letmatros : Vivax Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Louis Mølzer 18.02.1882 Olai (Kurland) ug Daiks gut : Edvard Percy Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland



All males born Russia (Rusland) 1880-1889 whatever occupation:
Victor Dengin 1883 Rusland b ug Handelsbetjent sit erverv i Rusland Trondheim kjøpstad: Kirke Gade m Folketelling 1900 for 1601 Trondheim kjøpstad
Moses Isaksen 1881 Latzkovæ Rusland el ug Handelsreisende for uldvarer Volda herred: Halkjelsvik m Folketelling 1900 for 1519 Volda herred
Gregorius Oster 1880 Rusland s ug Seminarist (i Rusland) Kristiania kjøpstad: Hausmanns Gade 42 m Folketelling 1900 for 0301 Kristiania kjøpstad
Alex Kull 1880 Rusland ug Fyrbøder : Saturn m Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Ivan Perdin 1881 Rusland fl ug Sagfiler Kraakstad: Bjerke m Folketelling 1900 for 0212 Kråkstad herred
Markus Braldiwir(?) 1883? Rusland? b ug Omreisende kramkarl (jøde) Akers: Korsvold m Folketelling 1900 for 0218 Aker herred
Hyrskrim !! 1882 Rusland b ug handelsmand Krødsherred: Ørgenvigeiet m Folketelling 1900 for 0621 Sigdal herred
Alexander 1889 Rusland el ug Sømand Hammerfest kjøpstad m Folketelling 1900 for 2001 Hammerfest kjøpstad
Jakob Jorgojow 1880 Rusland el ug Fiskeri og Jordarbeide Nesseby herred: Byluft m Folketelling 1900 for 2027 Nesseby herred
Sigfrit Gemoff 1881 Rusland tj ug Tjenestegut Nord-Varanger herred: Jakobselv m Folketelling 1900 for 2029 Nord-Varanger herred
Hans Alfred Pettari 1889 Rusland Dattersøn ug Pleiesøn forsørges af hf Sør-Varanger herred: Bjørkholt m Folketelling 1900 for 2030 Sør-Varanger herred
Ludvik Ranta 1880 Rusland b ug Fisker Sør-Varanger herred: Bratli m Folketelling 1900 for 2030 Sør-Varanger herred
Alexander Sotkajærvi 1882 Rusland b ug Fisker Sør-Varanger herred: Bratli m Folketelling 1900 for 2030 Sør-Varanger herred
Isak Levin 1882 Rusland el ug Handelsmand Kristiania kjøpstad: Karl den 12tes Gade 16 m Folketelling 1900 for 0301 Kristiania kjøpstad
Mads Broberg 1881 Nakø Song Rusland ug Jungmand : Høvding m Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Johannes Sämø 1882 Rusland ug Matros : Sea Breeze m Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Germann Rasemann 1883 Dagø (Rusland) ug Letmatros : Helios m Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Tanislaw Symansky 1883 Rusland ug Deksgut : Sterling m Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Julius Tarschis 1887.04.04 Rusland s ug Søn Kristiania kjøpstad: Osterhaus Gade 8 m Folketelling 1900 for 0301 Kristiania kjøpstad
Morits Tarschis 1889.01.13 Rusland s ug Søn Kristiania kjøpstad: Osterhaus Gade 8 m Folketelling 1900 for 0301 Kristiania kjøpstad
S. Blomberg 1881 Rusland el ug Handlende Kramkar Fredriksstad: Hjørnet af Baggaden & nedre Torvstrede m Folketelling 1900 for 0103 Fredrikstad kjøpstad
Leventhal 1882 Rusland Reisende ug Handelsmand Vaage: Sørum m Folketelling 1900 for 0515 Vågå herred
Isak Levin 1880 Rusland el ug Handelsmand Drammen kjøpstad: Grønlandsgade m Folketelling 1900 for 0602 Drammen kjøpstad
Jakob Land 1885 Riga Rusland fl ug Handlende Tønsberg kjøpstad: Nedre Langgd m Folketelling 1900 for 0705 Tønsberg kjøpstad
H. Fischer 1883 Gobna Gobnerna Rusland fl ug Handlende Tønsberg kjøpstad: Nedre Langgd m Folketelling 1900 for 0705 Tønsberg kjøpstad
Ivan Lebetjof 1882 Rusland tj ug Tjener. Gaardsarbæide Skjervøy herred: Skjærvøberg m Folketelling 1900 for 1941 Skjervøy herred
Victor Olsen 1883 Rusland s ug Butikbetjent Kolonialfor. Vardø kjøpstad: Strandgade m Folketelling 1900 for 2002 Vardø kjøpstad
Stepan Jerskoff 1880 Rusland el ug Sjømand (Matros) Vardø kjøpstad: N. Langgade m Folketelling 1900 for 2002 Vardø kjøpstad
Johan Njemælæ 1882 Rusland s ug Fisker Vardø kjøpstad: Kristian 4des Gade m Folketelling 1900 for 2002 Vardø kjøpstad
Andreas Brotckin Arkipoff 1885 Rusland tj ug Dreng hos Handelsm. Vadsø kjøpstad: Hvistendahlsgade m Folketelling 1900 for 2003 Vadsø kjøpstad
Jakob Stefansen 1883 Rusland s ug Fisker Vardø herred: Fiskemoldtangen m Folketelling 1900 for 2028 Vardø herred
Kristian Gustavsen 1889 Rusland Pleiesøn ug Pleiesøn ? fors. af en som har maanedsarbeide og fiskeri Vardø herred: Baadsfjord Havnen m Folketelling 1900 for 2028 Vardø herred
Jørgen Persen Matvig 1885 Rusland Pleiesøn ug Behjelpelig med Fiskeriet og Jordbruget Sør-Varanger herred: Myrland m Folketelling 1900 for 2030 Sør-Varanger herred
Iver Jonsen 1880 Rusland fl ug Fisker Sør-Varanger herred: Ropelv m Folketelling 1900 for 2030 Sør-Varanger herred
Alexander Lenc 1884 Rusland el ug Maskinist ved Mekanisk verksted Stavanger kjøpstad: Øvre Strandgade m Folketelling 1900 for 1103 Stavanger kjøpstad
Lion Lendvin 1880 Polen Rusland fl ug Handelsmand Kristiania kjøpstad: Youngsgade 1 m Folketelling 1900 for 0301 Kristiania kjøpstad
Harry Backman 1881 Rusland ug Matros : Bogstad m Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Calle Øidermand 1881 Rusland ug Letmatros : Manin m Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland
Carl Prolet 1881 Rusland ug Letmatros : Areola m Folketelling 1900 - skipslister fra innland og utland

Latvian equivalent for William is Vilius.



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Cojohn
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Posted - 23/03/2020 :  08:21:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, I have come full circle. For the last 4 years I have been trying to trace the Kushkin family in Latvia and Russia. The new suspect for William Sweetensen is Wassily Kushkin, born 1876 in Riga. A Wassily Kushkin was in trouble with the law in 1898 in Riga. I'm trying to establish if it's the same person as the one born in 1876. It would make a bit of sense that he left Riga on a ship and landed in Christiana to escape the law. Perhaps the 1900 census for Russians born 1870-1889 will come up with something? A huge long-shot, but just maybe....

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jkmarler
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Posted - 23/03/2020 :  12:59:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here are the Vasili / Wasili in the Digitalarkivet of the birthyears 1876-1889:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/search/persons/advanced?from=&to=&firstname=vasili&lastname=&gender%5B%5D=m&birth_year_from=1870&birth_year_to=1889&birth_date=&birth_place=&domicile=&position=&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&event_date=&related_first_name=&related_last_name=&related_birth_year=&sort=rel
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