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David Wallace
Junior member

USA
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Posted - 20/09/2018 :  21:06:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Simon Erlandsen, ships carpenter, immigrated in 1853 to Chicago with
wife Bertha (April 1822 - 1902) and children John (c1850 - ?) and Lena (c1852 - ?).
I do not find them in passenger lists. I do not know where in Norway they were from.
My research seems to be at a dead end.
After Simon's death between 1876 and 1880 the family used the surname Simonson.
Two more children, Theo and Severin Barton, were born in Chicago,
but both died of tuberculosis with only one surviving child,
Barton's daughter, my grandmother Ruth Simonson Robertson (1882-1971).
Lena Simonson was single in 1870 and was the widow Lena Evans in 1880.
Nothing more of John and Lena is known. Simon's wife Bertha had a sister
who probably immigrated with them; this sister may have been Helena Smith (? - 1894),
widow of Arthur Theodore Smith, who lived in Evanston across the street
from Barton's parents-in-law.

DBWallace

Edited by - David Wallace on 27/09/2018 19:15:38

lyndal40
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
7712 Posts

Posted - 20/09/2018 :  22:33:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
By posting some information we can get an idea of birth year etc.

Simon Erlandsen
in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Simon Erlandsen
Age in 1870: 47
Birth Year: abt 1823
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 1646
Home in 1870: Chicago Ward 11, Cook, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Male
Occupation: Ship Carpenter
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Male Citizen over 21: Y
Personal Estate Value: 1000
Real Estate Value: 3000
Inferred Spouse: Bertha Erlandsen
Inferred Children: John Erlandsen
Lena Erlandsen
Theo Erlandsen
Severin Erlandsen
Household Members:
Name Age
Simon Erlandsen 47
Bertha Erlandsen 46
John Erlandsen 20
Lena Erlandsen 18
Theo Erlandsen 13
Severin Erlandsen 11

And the last name of Bertha

Syverin Bertin Erlandsen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1826-1969
Name: Syverin Bertin Erlandsen
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1859
Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1859
Baptism Place: Cook, Illinois, USA
Father: Simone Erlandsen
Mother: Berthe Osmundsdatter
Church Name: Evangelical Lutheran Trinity Church
Church Location: Chicago, Illinois

The witnesses were Knud Larsen, Knud Knudsen and Herbor Amundsen.

Edited by - lyndal40 on 20/09/2018 22:37:17
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lyndal40
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
7712 Posts

Posted - 20/09/2018 :  22:54:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a candidate for Simon Erlandsen born abt 1823 in Stavanger, Rogaland. The problem is that he married a woman named Sussanne Marie Nielsdatter in 1842.

Simon Erlandsen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Simon Erlandsen
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Birth Date: 1823
Marriage Date: 26 mar 1842
Marriage Place: Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Father: Erland Haulesveen
Spouse: Sussanne Marie Nielsdr
FHL Film Number: 126313
Reference ID: 1821-1843

They did have a son Johan in 1850

Johan Simonsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Johan Simonsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 9 jun 1850
Baptism Date: 21 jul 1850
Baptism Place: Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Father: Simon Erlandsen
Mother: Susane Nilsdatter
FHL Film Number: 307144
Reference ID: vol 13

Gurine Simonsdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Gurine Simonsdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 31 jul 1853
Baptism Date: 14 aug 1853
Baptism Place: Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Father: Simon Erlandsen
Mother: Susane Nilsdatter
FHL Film Number: 307144
Reference ID: vol 13

Edited by - lyndal40 on 21/09/2018 00:55:46
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
6642 Posts

Posted - 20/09/2018 :  23:15:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another possible Simon Erlandson:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NCP9-K2K
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ToreL
Senior member

Norway
307 Posts

Posted - 20/09/2018 :  23:22:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No, the same search on familysearch should turn up his death shortly after. There is another one in Oppland, though, in yer, baptized early 1823, and with a Berit baptized April 1822 in the same book.

Stene mentioned in both bapt. and burial:

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000011429344

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/267/pg00000001970793

Here's the other one:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&localeSubcountryName=Oppland&query=%2Bgivenname%3Asimen~%20%2Bsurname%3Aerlensen~%20%2Bbirth_place%3ANorway~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1822-1823~%20%2Brecord_country%3ANorway%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22Norway%2COppland%22&localeSubcountryName=Oppland,Oppland,Oppland,Oppland&https://www.familysearch.org/search/hr/search=undefined

Edited by - ToreL on 20/09/2018 23:42:52
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lyndal40
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
7712 Posts

Posted - 20/09/2018 :  23:35:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The transcription for the Simen found by Tore and likely the one who married in Stavanger

Simen Erlandsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Simen Erlandsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 30 des 1822 (30 Dec 1822)
Baptism Date: 3 jan 1823
Baptism Place: Oyer,Opland,Norway
Father: Erland Hov
Mother: Marie
FHL Film Number: 125545

Link

And a second one, also in Oppland

Simen Erlandsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Simen Erlandsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 31 des 1822 (31 Dec 1822)
Baptism Date: 12 jan 1823
Baptism Place: Ostre Gausdal,Opland,Norway
Father: Erland Iversen
Mother: Ingebor Larsdr
FHL Film Number: 125548

Edited by - lyndal40 on 25/09/2018 22:23:16
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jwiborg
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Norway
4688 Posts

Posted - 20/09/2018 :  23:43:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Simen Erlandsen, born 30 Dec 1822 in yer, moved to Stavanger i 1842.
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ToreL
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Norway
307 Posts

Posted - 20/09/2018 :  23:45:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Isn't the third just the first? Who died.
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ToreL
Senior member

Norway
307 Posts

Posted - 20/09/2018 :  23:58:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Works in my browser, but shows the wrong Simon. Here is what I wanted to show:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VWGX-7ZG

You probably have to log in to familysearch to see it.

Edited by - ToreL on 21/09/2018 00:03:10
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lyndal40
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
7712 Posts

Posted - 21/09/2018 :  00:18:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Worked in my browser, but when you post a long URL it goofs up the layout of the page. So it s better to use a tag, as shown in the FAQ section.

As described in this section

FAQ

Also I changed my post of the Transcriptions to reflect the fact that it seems as if the Simen Erlandsen born in yer is the same one that is shown as living in Stavanger.

Edited by - lyndal40 on 21/09/2018 00:23:48
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
6642 Posts

Posted - 21/09/2018 :  01:22:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the family in the 1880 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXJ4-5W5
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
6642 Posts

Posted - 21/09/2018 :  01:52:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
FAG for a Bertha Simonson who died in 1902, headstone calls her "Auntie""
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DV-2QJ9
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lyndal40
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
7712 Posts

Posted - 21/09/2018 :  02:09:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is one of the witnesses for the baptism of Severin in the 1870 Census

Herbor Amundson in the 1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Herbor Amundson
Age in 1870: 45
Birth Year: abt 1825
Birthplace: Norway
Dwelling Number: 137
Home in 1870: Chicago Ward 15, Cook, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Female
Occupation: Keeping House
Father of Foreign Birth: Y
Mother of Foreign Birth: Y
Inferred Spouse: John Amundson
Inferred Children: Julia Amundson
Hannah Amundson
Household Members:
Name Age
John Amundson 47
Herbor Amundson 45
Julia Amundson 20
Hannah Amundson 10

Name: Herborg Amundson
Maiden Name: Gjerager
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1825
Birth Place: Norway
Death Date: 24 Aug 1912
Death Place: Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, United States of America
Cemetery: Graceland Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, United States of America
Has Bio?: Y
Children: Julia T. Nordhem

Herborg Gjerager Amundson
BIRTH 29 Jul 1825
Norway
DEATH 24 Aug 1912 (aged 87)
Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, USA
BURIAL
Graceland Cemetery
Chicago, Cook County, Illinois, USA
MEMORIAL ID 168472615 View Source

Info from the entry on their child
Father: John Amundson (Voss Norway)
Mother: Herborg Gjerager (Voss, Norway)

Probably her

Herbor Olsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Herbor Olsen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 18 aug 1825
Baptism Date: 28 sep 1825
Baptism Place: Voss,Hordaland,Norway
Father: Ole Tormodsen
Mother: Gudve Brynildsdr

#159

Edited by - lyndal40 on 27/09/2018 23:49:56
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ToreL
Senior member

Norway
307 Posts

Posted - 21/09/2018 :  15:39:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Simon who moved from yer to Stavanger is definitely the same who married Susanne in 1842. Here (second entry) is the churchbook entry, in which the groom's place of birth is given as jers something.

This should weigh up for the discrepancy between father Erland Hov at baptism and father Erland Haulesveen at marriage.

There is something written in the last column, for previous marriages. Should I put it out on a special forum for interpretation of handwriting, or will someone here have a go first?

Edited by - ToreL on 21/09/2018 15:47:02
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
6642 Posts

Posted - 21/09/2018 :  18:53:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think the word is an abbreviation for prestegjeld.

He is listed as ungkarl and she is listed as pige, so there are no prior marriages for this couple.

Edited by - jkmarler on 21/09/2018 20:28:59
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lyndal40
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
7712 Posts

Posted - 21/09/2018 :  19:48:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a daughter.

Christine Marie Simonsdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Christine Marie Simonsdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 16 des 1844 (16 Dec 1844)
Baptism Date: 1 jan 1845
Baptism Place: Stavanger, Rogaland, Norway
Father: Simon Erlandsen
Mother: Sussanne Nielsdatter
FHL Film Number: 307144
Reference ID: vol 13

Ancestry connects her to a

Christine Britton
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Christine Britton
Birth Date: 22 Dec 1844
Birth Place: Norway
Death Date: 7 Oct 1940
Death Place: United States of America
Cemetery: North Cape Lutheran Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: North Cape, Racine County, Wisconsin, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Albert Britton
Children: Martin Britton

Her obituary lists her as having arrived in Chicago with her parents in 1854. No names for the parents.

Using the above information I found a Tree on Ancestry. This Tree has no source but shows that Sussanne Nielsdatter died in Stavanger in 1854.

The Tree seems a little iffy, certainly need to find some sources.

Edited by - lyndal40 on 21/09/2018 21:43:39
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