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AntonH
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 Posted - 22/09/2018 : 00:28:19
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Here is the baptism of Theo in 1857 in Chicago.
Carl Theodor Berthe
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1826-1969
Name: Carl Theodor Berthe
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1857
Baptism Date: 1 Mar 1857
Baptism Place: Cook, Illinois, USA
Father: Simon Berthe
Church Name: Evangelical Lutheran Trinity Church
Church Location: Chicago, Illinois
No last name for the parents just Simon and Berthe, no witnesses. First entry in the church book. |
Edited by - AntonH on 22/09/2018 00:32:06 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/09/2018 : 00:51:33
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More information that would indicate the Christine Britton is Christina Erlandsdatter born in Stavanger. Although I think that the birth date is off.
Christine Britton
in the U.S., Consular Registration Certificates, 1907-1918
Name: Christine Britton
Birth Date: 22 Dec 1845
Birth Place: Stavanger, Norway
Residence: Christiana
Civil Date: 13 Aug 1915
Her return to America
Christine Britton
in the New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Christine Britton
Arrival date: 8 Sep 1914
Birth Date: abt 1846
Age: 68
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Bergen
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Bergensfjord |
Edited by - AntonH on 22/09/2018 01:36:31 |
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jkmarler
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ToreL
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Posted - 22/09/2018 : 12:42:06
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| Here are a few more details from the wedding in Stavanger in 1842. The name of Susanne Marie's father was Niels Christensen, living in Kristiansand. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 23/09/2018 : 11:48:53
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Simon and Susanne had five children in Stavanger:
No 84 1843 Erik born 22/1 43 and baptized 5/3 43
No 4 1845 Christine Marie born 16/12 44 and baptized 1/1 45
No 345 1847 Nils Christian born 9/9 47 and baptized 26/9 47
No 229 1850 Johan born 9/6 50 and baptized 21/7 50
No 270 1853 Gurine born 31/7 53 and baptized 14/8 53
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/09/2018 : 19:22:53
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Probably the wedding of the parents of Susanne in 1809 in Kristiansand. Parents are Niels Christian Christiansen and Birthe Christiane Christensdattter.
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Edited by - AntonH on 23/09/2018 19:25:00 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 23/09/2018 : 19:44:00
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| Yes, I had seen that one and then lost it again. Name Niels Christian is interesting, given the child born in 1847, and also interesting is the fact that he was a carpenter. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 23/09/2018 : 20:09:51
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And this pair had moved to Stavanger at the time of Birthe Christiane's death in 1854.
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ToreL
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Posted - 23/09/2018 : 21:54:34
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| Still haven't found Susanne's birth, but I would be willing to bet that the couple above are her parents. Familysearch also finds the wedding (actually two weddings) of one Niels Christian Nielsen in Stavanger, born 1821 in Kristiansand, with father Niels Christian Christensen. Here is what I found on page 229, in the section on master carpenters, in Borgerrulle for Kristiansand (Norwegian IPs only). Niels Christian Christensen enters the carpenters' guild in Kristiansand in 1810 and leaves it in 1818. Possibly he stays on in Krsitainsand a few more years, but my suspicion is that the couple moves on to somewhere where church books haven't been preserved (or transcribed) and have a few more chilkdren there before finally arriving in Stavanger. |
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ToreL
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Posted - 23/09/2018 : 22:07:37
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And here is a beauty: Searching for Nils Christian Christensen's stepfather Hans Fermedahl in the 1801 census, I find him living with his stepson Nils Christian and Nils Christian's mother Susanne Marie:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058333004367 |
Edited by - ToreL on 23/09/2018 22:08:24 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/09/2018 : 22:59:16
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Here are the children listed for Niels Christian Christiansen and Birthe Christiane Christensdattter in Ancestry.com
Name: Hans Christian Niels Christiansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 21 feb 1810
Baptism Date: 3 mar 1810
Baptism Place: Kristiansand, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Niels Christian Christensen
Mother: Birthe Jaensdr
Five from bottom right page
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Name: Mette Kirstine Niels Christiansdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 10 mar 1812
Baptism Date: 20 mar 1812
Baptism Place: Kristiansand, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Niels Christian Christensen
Mother: Birthe Christine Jahnsdr
Fourth from top left page
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Burial Date: 3 jun 1812
Name: Tobias Christian Niels Christiansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 12 okt 1813 (12 Oct 1813)
Baptism Date: 22 okt 1813 (22 Oct 1813)
Baptism Place: Kristiansand, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Niels Christian Christensen
Mother: Birthe Christine Christensdr
Right hand page third from bottom
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Name: Mette Susanne Niels Christiansdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 24 okt 1816 (24 Oct 1816)
Baptism Date: 10 nov 1816
Baptism Place: Kristiansand, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Niels Christian Christensen
Mother: Birthe Christine Jansdr
First entry right page, note the fadder
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Name: Olaus Martinus Niels Christiansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 14 okt 1823 (14 Oct 1823)
Baptism Date: 25 jan 1824
Baptism Place: Kristiansand, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Niels Christian Christensen
Mother: Birthe Kirstine Jansdr
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Olaus Martinus was married in Kristiansand
Name: Olaus Martinius Nielssen
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Birth Date: 1823
Marriage Date: 9 des 1846 (9 Dec 1846)
Marriage Place: , Kristiansand, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Niels Chr. Christensen
Spouse: Ragnild Nielsdr
Name: Christian Reinert Niels Christiansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 20 mar 1827
Baptism Date: 1 apr 1827
Baptism Place: Kristiansand, Vest-Agder, Norway
Father: Niels Christian Christensen
Mother: Berthe Christine Jansdr
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Edited by - AntonH on 24/09/2018 18:18:28 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 24/09/2018 : 00:38:27
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| Back on page 1 Bertha is identified as Bertha Ommundsdatter in one of the younger children's baptism. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/09/2018 : 01:49:09
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Good point Jackie, caused me to go back and look and I found a new mystery.
Willie Olaus Erlandsen
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1826-1969
Name: Willie Olaus Erlandsen
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 28 Jun 1862
Baptism Date: 5 Oct 1862
Baptism Place: Chicago, Illinois, USA
Father: Simon Erlandsen
Mother: Berte Gurnie Osmunds
Church Name: Our Saviour's Lutheran Church
Church Location: Chicago, Illinois
Witnesses are Anders Olsen, unreadable, Erik Simonsen.
Churches are also different
It is hard to not believe that this is not the same Simon Erlandsen and Berte, we have found for Theo and Syverine, but where was this son in 1870? Deceased maybe?
Here is the original record where we found the mother with the last name of Berthe Osmundsdatter.
Name: Syverin Bertin Erlandsen
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1859
Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1859
Baptism Place: Cook, Illinois, USA
Father: Simone Erlandsen
Mother: Berthe Osmundsdatter
Church Name: Evangelical Lutheran Trinity Church
Church Location: Chicago, Illinois |
Edited by - AntonH on 24/09/2018 02:01:33 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 24/09/2018 : 02:16:37
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I would think that this is the witnesses from above Erik Simpson aka Erik Simonsen son of Simon Erlandsen. His occupation is a carpenter and he arrived in 1854.
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Erick Simpson
in the Cook County, Illinois, Marriages Index, 1871-1920
Name: Erick Simpson
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1844
Birth Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Marriage Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Jun 1877
Marriage Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Spouse Name: Christine Halverson
Spouse Age: 29
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Birth Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
FHL Film Number: 1030101
Eric Simpson
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Eric Simpson
Age: 36
Birth Date: Abt 1844
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1880: Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA
Street: Hinman Street
House Number: 813
Dwelling Number: 409
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Christine Simpson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Occupation: Ship Carpenter
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Eric Simpson 36
Christine Simpson 32
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Edited by - AntonH on 24/09/2018 02:34:50 |
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Help me find Norway origins of a ships carpenter.
