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ToreL
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 Posted - 22/01/2019 : 21:55:54
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There is actually a family tree for these people on Ancestry; it says that the mother "Angette" died in 1902. The tree is named the LeoMcDowellFamily.
Not all that interesting; of relevance it only contains Anton, his mother Angette H Poulson and his two wives and descendants. According to the tree, though, the mother was born and died on Nov 20th 1820 and Dec 9, 1920. The name of the mother was more likely Agnete. |
Edited by - ToreL on 22/01/2019 22:16:51 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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ToreL
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Posted - 22/01/2019 : 23:37:16
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Yet another family tree at Ancestry, carol poulson family tree, has a very detailed account of Mattie's family, complete with dates and places of birth. According to this information, Mathia was born April 14th 1861 in Ringsaker:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070119310616
Baptism on July 21st. Mother Agnete Hansdatter, father Fredrik Christensen. This was out of wedlock, and the father was already married to somebody else. Mathia had a male twin. According to this same source (family tree), Anton had a different father, Ole Poulson Stensengeie.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 02:34:15
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Thank you all very much for helping out so much. I really appreciate that kind of dedication and I apologize if I came over somewhat bold, it was 2:30 AM and I was still researching!
I can read a Petter Evensen, still having difficulties to understand this entry in digitalarkivetwhat and what part of the entire name is the first name, middle name and last name, since the entry which you posted seem to come very close to said name Petter Evensen
Hagastuen, Marigaardseie
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here is a link to the possible in Norderhov 1865:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038084009386
I also find this entry very interesting, because it from what I can read reflects the same birthday as of ToreL's entry and I would like to understand what it says in the 6 Column, because I feel like I see the word Edmund? As possible father? Explaining why he named his son Edmund? or is his Father Johannes Marthinsen and Mother Martha Helgesdatter like in the entry above?
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Originally posted by vivi
Hi
Here is the baptizm of the Peter/Petter found by jkmarler.
No 119:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314630148
The family live at Marigaardeie and Norderhov is in Ringerike.
Also very helpful is this entry Peder Evensen Marigaardeie Immigration 1 May 1870, because it definitely matches!
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Originally posted by vivi
Hi
You find his emigration listed on this list in 1870 5. jan:
http://www.rddlag.org/emigrants/1870.htm
And the most I am thankful for this entry, because how said, this is a gem and I really really appreciate the efforts from jkmarler and ToneL. This isn't only very helpful but also a nice piece of history.
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Originally posted by ToreL
I think Jackie's find in the Fergus Falls Ugeblad is such a gem that it deserves to be displayed here.
A greeting to people from Ringerike!
As most people don't know me un-
der the name that I use here in
(the) U.S., I will inform you that my old
Norwegian name is Petter Evensen
Hagastuen, Marigaardseie.
P.E. Simon, Dalton, Minn.
And it is clearly no coincidence that he chose the date of May 17th for this greeting.
After all, I can again only be very thankful! However it leaves me also with the question left, what parts of his name are and their origin and what is his fathers name, mothers name, his last name and if his name is, since it always seem to change slightly and if it is Petter Evensen
Hagastuen, Marigaardseie, what does Hagastuen mean? If I assume Petter is his first name, Evensen his Middle Name (possible the E in Peter E Simon?) and Marigaardseie his last name? Why did he choose Simon? Anybody any idea?
Again thank you very much
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dylankylesimon
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AntonH
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 02:47:39
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Norwegian names are sometimes a little confusing. His first name when he was baptized was Peter. His father was Even Olsen. So he would usually use the name Peter Evenson ie Peter son of Even. However Norwegians also used the name of the farm that they were living on as a further identifier. For Peter those farms were Hagastuen and Marigaardseie .
Here is his baptism record. Click on #119
#119
In this record his father is called Even Olsen Marigaardseie, indicating that they are likely living on the Marigaardseie farm at that time. The eie at they are likely a cotter ie they are leasing a part of the Marigaards farm and do not own the land.
Here is how Ancestry.com has transcribed his baptism record
Peter Evensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Peter Evensen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 23 sep 1849
Baptism Date: 4 nov 1849
Baptism Place: Norderhov,Buskerud,Norway
Father: Even Olsen
Mother: Marte Helgesdr |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 02:55:52
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With this can we assume that this is Mattie "Mathia" Simon was born April 14th 1861 in Ringsaker and that her Maiden Name is Poulson with a Mother of Agnete Hansdatter and a Father Fredik Christensen? And why would her last name be different from her parents?quote:
Originally posted by ToreL
Yet another family tree at Ancestry, carol poulson family tree, has a very detailed account of Mattie's family, complete with dates and places of birth. According to this information, Mathia was born April 14th 1861 in Ringsaker:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070119310616
Baptism on July 21st. Mother Agnete Hansdatter, father Fredrik Christensen. This was out of wedlock, and the father was already married to somebody else. Mathia had a male twin. According to this same source (family tree), Anton had a different father, Ole Poulson Stensengeie.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 03:04:08
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Here is the baptism record for Mathea transcribed by Ancestry.com.
Mathea Fredriksdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Mathea Fredriksdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 14 apr 1861
Baptism Date: 21 jul 1861
Baptism Place: Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Fredrik Christensen
Mother: Agnete Hansdr
FHL Film Number: 307213
She is in this record called Mathea Fredriksdatter after her father Fredrik. She adopted the name Poulson at some later time. Since she was born out of wedlock perhaps she lived at some later time with a family named Poulson.
Perhaps her mother married an man with the last name of Poulson. There is a Angnette Poulson living in Wisconsin, perhaps that is her mother or more likely a separate family. |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 03:15:39
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| lyndal40, I forsure go with y'all research 100% more with what I find, I mean, it is quiet confusing too me and I would love to know why Peter E. Simon chose Simon as last name, since it is my last name, but also liked to know why in every record in the USA we only see E. and never more! Maybe someone can find a gravestone or so? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 03:33:42
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| Why he chose the last name of Simon might be a little difficult to discern. When he left his parish in Norway in 1870 he called himself Peter Evensen Marigaardseie. So it is likely that he adopted the last name of Simon either on his voyage or after he arrived in America. The farm name he was using complex. The farm is Mari, gaard is the Norwegian word for farm. eie at the end usually indicates a leased farm. Hagastuen with he also used is also the name of a farm, usually called Haga. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 03:49:22
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This record from Ancestry.com would indicate that Mathea had a twin brother.
Christian Fredriksen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Christian Fredriksen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 14 apr 1861
Baptism Date: 21 jul 1861
Baptism Place: Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway
Father: Fredrik Christensen
Mother: Agnete Hansdr
FHL Film Number: 307213
Here is the original record, click number 97
#97
He also used the last name of Poulson
Christian Frederick Poulson
1861–1950
BIRTH 14 APRIL 1861 • Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway
DEATH 09 JANUARY 1950 • Canby, Yellow Medicine, Minnesota, USA |
Edited by - AntonH on 23/01/2019 04:04:29 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 03:50:17
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Would Peter be his Firstname? Evensen his Middle Name and Marigaardseie his last name? Or is it like a complete different concept as we are use to it today?quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
Why he chose the last name of Simon might be a little difficult to discern. When he left his parish in Norway in 1870 he called himself Peter Evensen Marigaardseie. So it is likely that he adopted the last name of Simon either on his voyage or after he arrived in America. The farm name he was using complex. The farm is Mari, gaard is the Norwegian word for farm. eie at the end usually indicates a leased farm. Hagastuen with he also used is also the name of a farm, usually called Haga.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 04:02:41
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A different concept;. Treat the farm name like an address. It can change if the person moves to a different farm for work. In that case he might use the first name Peter the name Evensen after his father and the name of the farm he was working on..
An example from my ancestors. My great grandfather was baptized Olaf. His father was Lars and he was born on the Høgeli farm. So in some records he is called Ole Larsen, in some records he was called Ole Larsen Høgeli and even a few times just Ole Høgeli. When he worked on a nearby farm called Skjæggdal he was listed as Ole Larsen Skjæggdal. Made it a little hard too find him from time to time
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 04:20:30
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Perhaps Mathea's mother FAG
Angette H Poulson
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-CurrentName: Angette H Poulson
Birth Date: 20 Nov 1820
Death Date: 9 Dec 1902
Cemetery: Castlewood Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Castlewood, Hamlin County, South Dakota, United States of America
Has Bio?: N
I think there is more than one Ole Poulson with wife Agnette in the midwest at the same time. Perhaps a separate family located in Wisconsin.
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Edited by - AntonH on 23/01/2019 04:30:30 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 23/01/2019 : 04:45:55
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Here is Agnette Hansdatter and her twins in the 1865 Census
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Peter E Simon (1870 Immigration to the US)
