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dylankylesimon
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 Posted - 19/11/2023 : 08:20:17
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Hey!
Encountered a family tree, which may connect with mine from Norderhov, but a lot of it seems questionable.
Essentially, I am starting with Hansine Olava Olsdatter Mælingen of whom I found:
Birth: 17 Oct 1867 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 28 Jun 1868 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000020376910
From there I got father Ole Hansen Mælingen and mother Karen Olsdatter. I was able to find an additional three siblings of Hansine:
Hans Christian Olsen Honenfos?
Birth: 21 Aug 1862 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 15 Nov 1862 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000021503060
Anders Olsen Mælingen
Birth: 11 Aug 1874 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 27 Sep 1874
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000020381258
Twin? Hanna Olava Olsdatter Mælingen
Birth: 17 Oct 1867 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 28 Jun 1868 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000030558461
From there I found the Marriage on 15 Nov 1862 where Ole Hansen Nerdre Honenfos? is listed as 26 (~1836) and Karen Olsdatter Gjermundbo eie? (Northeast of Hønefoss) 27 (~1835). One of the witnesses seems to be Hans Mælingen, so I would say this fits. Likewise, it lists Ole's father as Hans Christiansen Hangen?, although their family tree has it as Hansen. What does this mean, is this a name or a farm name? Karen's father is listed as Ole Halvorsen.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000010539782
Now the tree claims that this Karen Olsdatter from Northeast of Hønefoss is the same as Karen Olsdatter Gjellerud, which I only find in Flesberg roughly 60 miles southwest of Gjermundbo. Her parents are claimed to be Ole Halvorsen and Anne Abrahamsdatter Gjellerud Eie. What do you all make of this?
Birth: 30 Mar 1835 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 5 Jul 1835 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8536/42056/300
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8530/84912/148
The tree also claims a birth date of 25 Oct 1836 for Ole Halvorsen Malingen in Honefoss, Buskerud, Norway. I was unable to verify or find the record. The father is listed as Hans Christan Hansen Malingen, born 6 Jun 1811 in Leirke, Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway with a death of 2 Aug 1851 in Norway. The mother is listed as Dorthea Olsdatter Halvorsdatter, baptized on 15 Feb 1801 in Norderhov, with a death on 19 Jan 1866 in Hønefoss, Norway (Chicken Falls, Norway). A) What's going on with that double name for the mother and B) what is Chicken Falls? This all needs clearly some cleaning up
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/11/2023 : 13:47:40
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Essentially, I am starting with Hansine Olava Olsdatter Mælingen of whom I found:
Birth: 17 Oct 1867 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 28 Jun 1868 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000020376910
In the two listings, there is not another child with the same parents near each other, nor is the word tvillinger applied to either listing. They appear to be two entries by two different writers in two separate books, but with a mistake on the first name Hansine vs Hanna. The challenge will be to find which name is correct
From there I got father Ole Hansen Mælingen and mother Karen Olsdatter. I was able to find an additional three siblings of Hansine:
Hans Christian Olsen Honenfos?
Birth: 21 Aug 1862 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 15 Nov 1862 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000021503060
Anders Olsen Mælingen
Birth: 11 Aug 1874 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 27 Sep 1874
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000020381258
Twin? Hanna Olava Olsdatter Mælingen
Birth: 17 Oct 1867 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 28 Jun 1868 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000030558461
From there I found the Marriage on 15 Nov 1862 where Ole Hansen Nerdre Honenfos? is listed as 26 (~1836) and Karen Olsdatter Gjermundbo eie? (Northeast of Hønefoss) 27 (~1835). One of the witnesses seems to be Hans Mælingen, so I would say this fits. Likewise, it lists Ole's father as Hans Christiansen Hangen?, although their family tree has it as Hansen. What does this mean, is this a name or a farm name? Karen's father is listed as Ole Halvorsen.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000010539782
My interpretation of the father's name is Hans Christian Haugen. Norwegian writers often put a small mark above a "u" to differentiate it from an "n" or some other letter.
Now the tree claims that this Karen Olsdatter from Northeast of Hønefoss is the same as Karen Olsdatter Gjellerud, which I only find in Flesberg roughly 60 miles southwest of Gjermundbo. Her parents are claimed to be Ole Halvorsen and Anne Abrahamsdatter Gjellerud Eie. What do you all make of this?
It's not impossible that her parents were from elsewhere and that she was born / baptized in Norderhov with them using the old familiar farm name rather than where they were living.
Birth: 30 Mar 1835 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 5 Jul 1835 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8536/42056/300
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8530/84912/148
The tree also claims a birth date of 25 Oct 1836 for Ole Halvorsen Malingen in Honefoss, Buskerud, Norway. I was unable to verify or find the record. The father is listed as Hans Christan Hansen Malingen, born 6 Jun 1811 in Leirke, Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway with a death of 2 Aug 1851 in Norway. The mother is listed as Dorthea Olsdatter Halvorsdatter, baptized on 15 Feb 1801 in Norderhov, with a death on 19 Jan 1866 in Hønefoss, Norway (Chicken Falls, Norway). A) What's going on with that double name for the mother and B) what is Chicken Falls? This all needs clearly some cleaning up
The problem appears to be a typo on Ole's patronymic. Where did Halvorsen come from anyway? The #3 entry which is cited gives this Ole's parents as Hans Hansen and Dorthe Halvorsd Olsd on nordre Honenfos.
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0009: Parish register (official) no. 9, 1819-1837, p. 650-651
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314620709
My cousin Otto Tangen took great umbrage when someone refered to Honefoss as Chicken Falls. It's like Fergus Falls Minnesota, being called Fungus Flats. Otto told us the name of Honefoss was derived from an old language description of the shape of the falls but as language evolves it ended up with word being chicken. That's his story and I'm sticking to it! |
Edited by - jkmarler on 19/11/2023 13:50:56 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 19/11/2023 : 15:23:57
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Essentially, I am starting with Hansine Olava Olsdatter Mælingen of whom I found:
Birth: 17 Oct 1867 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 28 Jun 1868 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000020376910
In the two listings, there is not another child with the same parents near each other, nor is the word tvillinger applied to either listing. They appear to be two entries by two different writers in two separate books, but with a mistake on the first name Hansine vs Hanna. The challenge will be to find which name is correct. Well given that the later records that the tree has + the marriage list her as Hansine, I'd assume that's the correct one.
From there I got father Ole Hansen Mælingen and mother Karen Olsdatter. I was able to find an additional three siblings of Hansine:
Son: Hans Christian Olsen Honenfos?
Birth: 21 Aug 1862 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 15 Nov 1862 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000021503060
Death: 11 Sep 1865 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
Burial: 15 Sep 1865 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000007561936
Son: Didrik Alfred Olsen N Hfos
Birth: 24 Mar 1865 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 30 Jul 1865 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000021505015
Son: Anders Olsen Hfos to Skomager Ole Hansen Hfos Hat?
Birth: 27 Apr 1871 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 30 Jul 1871 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/1113/7128/94
A much prettier entry in the Hønefoss Church Book:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/4178/73604/7
Son:Anders Olsen Mælingen
Birth: 11 Aug 1874 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 27 Sep 1874 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000020381258
A much prettier entry in the Hønefoss Church Book:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/4178/73604/21
Son: Haakon Olsen Mælingen
Birth: 2 Aug 1877 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 9 Sep 1877 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000033049747
A much prettier entry in the Hønefoss Church Book:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/4178/73604/33
What does this mean above their names? In front of Haakon it also has a date?
Twin? Hanna Olava Olsdatter Mælingen
Birth: 17 Oct 1867 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 28 Jun 1868 Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000030558461
From there I found the Marriage on 15 Nov 1862 where Ole Hansen Nerdre Honenfos? is listed as 26 (~1836) and Karen Olsdatter Gjermundbo eie? (Northeast of Hønefoss) 27 (~1835). One of the witnesses seems to be Hans Mælingen, so I would say this fits. Likewise, it lists Ole's father as Hans Christiansen Hangen?, although their family tree has it as Hansen. What does this mean, is this a name or a farm name? Karen's father is listed as Ole Halvorsen.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000010539782. This also seems to be an official Parish entry, but I can't find it in the copy of the Parish entry.
My interpretation of the father's name is Hans Christian Haugen. Norwegian writers often put a small mark above a "u" to differentiate it from an "n" or some other letter. Haugen definitely seems plausible, although I don't see a farm named Haugen near Honefoss. Which of course that doesn't mean that you aren't correct.
31 Dec 1865 Norway Census
Ole Hansen Mælingen 30 (~1835) born in Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
Karen Olsdatter 31 (~1836) born in Houg Anex til Nordrehoug? Houg Annex seems to be Norderhov (Haug sogn).
Didrik Olsen 1 (~1864) born Hønefoss, Buskerud, Norway
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038079000701
Now the tree claims that this Karen Olsdatter from Northeast of Hønefoss is the same as Karen Olsdatter Gjellerud, which I only find in Flesberg roughly 60 miles southwest of Gjermundbo. Her parents are claimed to be Ole Halvorsen and Anne Abrahamsdatter Gjellerud Eie. What do you all make of this? It's Gullerud, and Gullerud is south of Haug and 4 miles from Mælingen. It is the record below:
It's not impossible that her parents were from elsewhere and that she was born / baptized in Norderhov with them using the old familiar farm name rather than where they were living.
Birth: 30 Mar 1835 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism: 5 Jul 1835 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8536/42056/300
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8530/84912/148
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Questionable:
The tree also claims a birth date of 25 Oct 1836 for Ole Hansen Malingen in Honefoss, Buskerud, Norway. I was unable to verify or find the record. The father is listed as Hans Christan Hansen Malingen, born 6 Jun 1811 in Leirke, Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway with a death of 2 Aug 1851 in Norway. The mother is listed as Dorthea Olsdatter Halvorsdatter, baptized on 15 Feb 1801 in Norderhov, with a death on 19 Jan 1866 in Hønefoss, Norway (Chicken Falls, Norway). A) What's going on with that double name for the mother and B) what is Chicken Falls? This all needs clearly some cleaning up
The problem appears to be a typo on Ole's patronymic. Where did Halvorsen come from anyway? The #3 entry which is cited gives this Ole's parents as Hans Hansen and Dorthe Halvorsd Olsd on nordre Honenfos. Halvorsen was Karen's father, I made an error here, so it is Ole Hansen
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0009: Parish register (official) no. 9, 1819-1837, p. 650-651
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314620709
My cousin Otto Tangen took great umbrage when someone refered to Honefoss as Chicken Falls. It's like Fergus Falls Minnesota, being called Fungus Flats. Otto told us the name of Honefoss was derived from an old language description of the shape of the falls but as language evolves it ended up with word being chicken. That's his story and I'm sticking to it! Oh wow! |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 19/11/2023 18:54:35 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/11/2023 : 17:41:29
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What does this mean above their names? In front of Haakon it also has a date?
With the parent's birthyears of 1835-1836 it seems likely that the first two dates are dates of confirmation. The last 1875 date I'm not sure. The date by Haakon's name might be his vaccination or perhaps an attest date when & if they moved from the parish or something. Or even a date when it was put in the books & by whom.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 19/11/2023 : 19:32:55
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Originally posted by jkmarler
What does this mean above their names? In front of Haakon it also has a date?
With the parent's birthyears of 1835-1836 it seems likely that the first two dates are dates of confirmation. The last 1875 date I'm not sure. The date by Haakon's name might be his vaccination or perhaps an attest date when & if they moved from the parish or something. Or even a date when it was put in the books & by whom.
Awesome, thanks!
Looking now for Karen Olsd's father Ole Halvorsen Gullerud born about 1790 in Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway. Based on Halvor's last name I may determine that he connects to my Finnsen or Evensen Ancestral Lineage between 1725 and 1790.
Of course, the records become hard to read, but I would assume there might be an entry between 1789 and 1791 here about Ole and his Father Halvor X Gullerud:
Ministerialbok nr. 5 Norderhov prgj. Haug sokn, Hønefoss sokn, Lunder sokn, Norderhov sokn, Viker (Ådal) sokn 1775 - 1789 kr
Link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8525/42028/1
Ministerialbok nr. 6 Norderhov prgj. Haug sokn, Hønefoss sokn, Lunder sokn, Norderhov sokn, Viker (Ådal) sokn 1789 - 1811 kr
Link: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/42034/1
Probably Ole Halvorsen Aasa (Åsa is about 2 miles Southeast of Gullerud)
Baptism: 26 Dec 1790 Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/8526/42034/25
Probably Ole Halvorsen in 1801 Norway Census
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058270000980
Here is a picture of my research tree:
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Edited by - dylankylesimon on 19/11/2023 23:03:49 |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 19/11/2023 : 23:52:04
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Questionable:
The tree also claims a birth date of 25 Oct 1836 for Ole Hansen Malingen in Honefoss, Buskerud, Norway. I was unable to verify or find the record. The father is listed as Hans Christan Hansen Malingen, born 6 Jun 1811 in Leirke, Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway with a death of 2 Aug 1851 in Norway. The mother is listed as Dorthea Olsdatter Halvorsdatter, baptized on 15 Feb 1801 in Norderhov, with a death on 19 Jan 1866 in Hønefoss, Norway (Chicken Falls, Norway). A) What's going on with that double name for the mother and B) what is Chicken Falls? This all needs clearly some cleaning up
So the Family Tree claims Ole Hansen, 25 Oct 1836 born in Hønefoss. If it indeed reads Hans Christian Hansen, then:
#3
Ole Hansen Nordre Honenfos
Birth: 26 Oct Is it 1836 or 1837? Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Baptism 04 Dec Is it 1836 or 1837? Norderhov, Buskerud, Norway
Father: Hans Hansen
Mother: Dorthe Olsdr Norde Honenfos
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000036866252
The farm does match the farm in the marriage, plus if it reads Hansen in the marriage then the father would be a match...
#28 Marriage 15 Nov 1862
Ole Hansen Nerdre Honenfos 26 (~1836)
Karen Olsdatter Gjermundbo eie? (Northeast of Hønefoss) 27 (~1835)
Ole's father as Hans Christiansen Hansen
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000010539782
#15 Marriage 12 Jan 1832
Hans Christian Hansen Honenfos 21 (~1811)
Dorthe Olsdatter Honenfos 20 (~1812)
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000009144917
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Maren Hansdatter Honefos
Birth: 16 Sep 1839 Norderhov, Buskerud Norway
Baptism: 03 Nov 1839 Norderhov, Buskerud Norway
Father: Hans Christian Hansen
Mother: Dorthe Olsd. Honefos
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000036847257
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Maren Hansdatter Honefos
Birth: 05 Apr 1942 1839 Norderhov, Buskerud Norway
Baptism: 03 Jul 1842 Norderhov, Buskerud Norway
Father: Hans C Hansen Mælingen
Mother: Dorthe Olsd. Nordre Honefos
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000036848963
Hmm.. looks like it might all add up after all.. Can't find a connection... |
Edited by - dylankylesimon on 20/11/2023 00:26:32 |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/11/2023 : 04:45:52
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| So how did you get onto this potential connection anyway, a DNA result or ???? |
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 20/11/2023 : 14:34:05
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Originally posted by jkmarler
So how did you get onto this potential connection anyway, a DNA result or ????
Yes, she is one out of 29 DNA matches that I have labeled as a possible DNA connection for either the Evensen, the Finnsen, or Evensen and Torstensdatter ancestral line. About 16 out of the DNA matches carry possible Evensen and Torstensdatter DNA. For example, Berte Olsdatter's (1811) descendants could carry that DNA, but also one Torsten Gunjornsen and Guri Reiulfsdatter's descendants. There are also 13 DNA matches that may be Peder Evensen (1776) or one of the Finnsen' descendants because they do not carry the Torstensdatter DNA. Why is this important? Well, I was able to confirm Aase Torstensdatter, Even Olsen, and Ole Evensen's line through DNA, but I can't confirm Even Finnsen just yet.
Through DNA I was able to confirm my 7th cousin 1x removed, who has a family tree of 200 people, on the Torstensdatter ancestral line at 18 cM but also a 5th cousin 2x removed, with a tree of 80 people, at 8 cM. The 13 DNA matches share as strong as 72 cM and 18 cM DNA, placing most 11 matches in the 4-6th cousin range, of course of my granduncle respectively, 1 in the 3rd-4th cousin range, and 1 in the 5th-8th cousin range. Some of these 13 DNA matches have family trees, 1 has a tree with 52,000 people, 1 has 8,000 people, 1 has 2,400 people, and 1 has 900 people. Some of them seem well-developed, but I was unable to make a connection, which makes me think that their tree has errors, at least from a DNA perspective.
For my granduncles: 4th cousins would be Ole Evensen's children, 5th cousins would be Even Finnsen's children, 6th cousins would be Finn Evensen's children. Of course, if those are removed from the lines that can place them in a range from 4-6, or even 5-8.
Thank you for letting me explain this, and I hope this makes all sense. Below is a picture of my family tree with the numbers of confirmed DNA matches that I made.
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