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Jdkrags
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USA
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Posted - 10/06/2020 :  19:26:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi all! Looking for the emigration and immigration lists of my 3x great grandparents and their two children, Magda and Hagbert. According to a family story, they arrived in Quebec in 1888 and when they got there, Hans gave his name as Hans Marcussen Sand but was interpreted as Hans Sand. They came from the Borg area of Vestvågøya in Lofoten. Hans went to Minneapolis to work for a lumber camp after immigrating for a year, and then the family moved to Perley, MN.

lyndal40
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Posted - 10/06/2020 :  21:33:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A little hard to read the original but that accounts for the transcription. The last four passengers on the page.

Hans Marensen
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Hans Marensen
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 31
Birth Year: abt 1857
Departure Port: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Arrival Date: 14 Jul 1888
Arrival Port: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Sarmatian

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Edited by - lyndal40 on 10/06/2020 21:34:15
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jkmarler
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Posted - 10/06/2020 :  21:35:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some basic biographical information about Hans might be useful...birthdate, etc.
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lyndal40
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Posted - 10/06/2020 :  21:37:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here are the transcriptions of the other three, starting with the wife.


Bjrntine Marensen
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Bjrntine Marensen
Gender: Female
Arrival Age: 36
Birth Year: abt 1852
Departure Port: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Arrival Date: 14 Jul 1888
Arrival Port: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Sarmatian
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 10/06/2020 :  21:38:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is Magda and Hagbert possibly:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000097991
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000097990

Possibly their mother?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000097989

and Hans:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000097988

Edited by - jkmarler on 10/06/2020 21:42:40
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lyndal40
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USA
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Posted - 10/06/2020 :  21:41:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Eagbert Marensen
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935Name: Eagbert Marensen
Gender: Male
Departure Port: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Arrival Date: 14 Jul 1888
Arrival Port: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Sarmatian

Angda Marensen
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Angda Marensen
Gender: Female
Arrival Age: 3
Birth Year: abt 1885
Departure Port: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Arrival Date: 14 Jul 1888
Arrival Port: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Sarmatian
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lyndal40
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Posted - 10/06/2020 :  21:43:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting that Hans is not on the same page as the other three?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9/og00000000097988
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 10/06/2020 :  21:47:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a Hans Marcussen living on a farm called "Sanne" in 1875:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052436002205

It would be easy to make that into Sand...

Same family on Haukland in 1865:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038380001744

Berntine Josefsdatter possible in 1865
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038380000547

Same Berntine with family in 1875:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052436001804

Edited by - jkmarler on 10/06/2020 22:02:18
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jkmarler
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USA
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Posted - 10/06/2020 :  21:50:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

Interesting that Hans is not on the same page as the other three?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9/og00000000097988



A strange thing but they are assigned sequential numbers in the database,,,
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Jdkrags
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USA
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Posted - 10/06/2020 :  22:26:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow, that’s great research, thanks! And regarding dates; Hans born 1857, Berntine born 1863, Magda born 1884, Hagbert born 1886. These are definitely the right people.
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ToreL
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Norway
427 Posts

Posted - 10/06/2020 :  23:09:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

Interesting that Hans is not on the same page as the other three?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9/og00000000097988




Seems like an artifact of the transcription. They are alll together in the original. (4232-4235)

Another strange thing in the trasnscript is that both parents are described as ug, i.e. ugift/unmarried, but that just seems to be due to a "copy" mark that has run too long. In any case, they were married on May 12th 1884:

Hans Eilert Markussen
Norway Marriages, 1660-1926





Name:
Hans Eilert Markussen
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
12 May 1884
Event Place:
Borge Prestegjeld, Nordland, Norway
Event Place (Original):
Borge, Nordland, Norway
Gender:
Male
Birth Date:
1857
Father's Name:
Markus Has
Spouse's Name:
Berntine Dorthea Josefsdr
Spouse's Gender:
Female
Spouse's Birth Date:
1863
Spouse's Father's Name:
Josef Ludvigsen

(Original)
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ToreL
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Norway
427 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2020 :  00:00:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is interesting that Hans Markussen's father Markus has a last name Hass, unrelated to the farm. The bygdebook hasn't much to say about him, but names his wife as Ane K Pheiff, probably of a clerical and/or merchant family.

Edited by - ToreL on 11/06/2020 00:01:37
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Jdkrags
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USA
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Posted - 11/06/2020 :  16:18:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That’s correct. Markus’ last name Hass was sort of a second last name, and it was passed down from generations until it ended with him. Hans did not inherit this name. Ane’s family was from even farther north than Borge. Her mother was from Myre (Dverberg) on Andøya. Her father was supposedly from Flakstad and was a priest of some sort.
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ToreL
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Norway
427 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2020 :  17:10:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is a tree on Ancestry with a photo of Hans Markussen. Here is link to the record in case you haven't seen it. According to the data in this tree as well as a bygdebook entry, his maternal grandfather Stie Pheiff was an innkeeper, but I did also see an online tree according to which he was a priest and innkeeper...
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Jdkrags
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USA
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Posted - 11/06/2020 :  17:52:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yep, that’s the family tree of mine that I run on Ancestry. I found that photo in a box of photos from my grandma’s things. The back was labeled “Grandpa Sand” and I figured it must have been him. And yes, I think I remember hearing Stie being listed as an innkeeper as well. One problem I had with Stie was his birth record. I can’t find it because if he was in fact born in Flakstad, then the records for that area don’t go back far enough.
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ToreL
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Norway
427 Posts

Posted - 11/06/2020 :  21:04:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Too bad. I post this clipping from the book Med prestene i Flakstad og Moskenes gjennom 300 år by Nils Mikal Flakstad, in case you haven't seen it. There are a few pages about Jonas Friderich Pheiff, who was the parish priest at Flakstad from around 1760 until his death in 1778.

Edit: The clipping above lists the known children that Jonas Friderich Pheiff had with his wife Kierstina Margrethe Friis. After Jonas' death in 1778, his widow married Jørgen Grach, the parish priest in Borge.

Edited by - ToreL on 12/06/2020 08:39:37
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