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WLauren
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Posted - 08/06/2021 :  06:11:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looking for information on father of Anna. She is Kari’s daughter. They left Norway together and came to America and settling in North Dakota. Old family story says Kari and another girl were given jobs in Norway as children making “mush” for 3 nights someone would sneak in and eat it. One the 3rd night when checking to see if the mush was there Gjest Baardsen was there. Word got out he was there and the kings soldiers were sent to wait for him. During this time Kari got pregnant by one of the kings soldiers and Anna was born.
Any information would help.

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ToreL
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Posted - 08/06/2021 :  09:59:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gjest Bårdsen's whereabouts in Norway in the various years of his active "career" are relatively well known, so if you have an approximate year of birth for Anna it might help to locate her and her mother. And of course anything else you may know about them that didn't get stated above, would be useful. Do you know approximately when they emigrated?

Another possibility is to work backwards from occurrences in American records. Do you have any where the last names of Lien or Lyshgan are being used? If Lyshgan is of Norwegian origin, it is probably a misrepresentation of Lyshagan or something similar.

Edited by - ToreL on 08/06/2021 10:00:42
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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/06/2021 :  10:57:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is an Anne Lyshagen born 1833 in 1920 census North Dakota. Is this the woman you are seeking?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MC82-25G

Here is an Anne A Lyshagen leaving Norway in 1883 with several children, headed to Wahpeton (North Dakota):
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000992414

Very badly transcribed / interpreted from the 1900 census in Nelson county, North Dakota:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9VK-2KX
Kari Lind b abt 1802 Norway udv US 1880
Anna Lyshagen (Sephagen) b Nov 1832 udv US 1882

Here in the 1885 Dakota Territorial census transcription:
36-052-15 Lyskogen, Ole O. 37 Head Norway Nelson
36-052-16 Lyskogen, Anna 34 Wife Norway Nelson
36-052-17 Lyskogen, Anton 10 Son Norway Nelson

24-022-42 Lien, Kary 80 Mother Farmer Norway Walcott Richland
24-022-43 Lien, John 26 Son Farmer Norway Walcott Richland

Lyshagen Anna North Dakota Necrology. Vol. 3. May 30, 1923 to July 17, 1924. Microfilm CT253.N42 1996

Transcription index of naturalization records for Lyshagen:
Lyshagen Anna A Norway 1st April 21, 1906 Ramsey D-5 131
Lyshagen Ole O Norway 1st July 7, 1883 Cass D-6 281
Lyshagen Ole O Norway 2nd November 25, 1889 Nelson D-8 129

A Kari Lien took an original homestead in Richland county:
ccession Nr: ND0580__.020 Document Type: State Volume Patent State: North Dakota Issue Date: 2/5/1885 Cancelled: No
Names On Document Miscellaneous Information
PatenteeLIEN, KARI A
Land Office: Fargo
US Reservations: No
Mineral Reservations: No
Tribe: ---
Militia: ---
State In Favor Of: ---
Military Rank: --- Authority: May 20, 1862: Homestead EntryOriginal (12 Stat. 392)

Document Numbers Survey Information
Document Nr: 1703 Total Acres: 40.00
Misc. Doc. Nr: 2124 Survey Date: ---
BLM Serial Nr: NDMTAA 084114 Geographic Name: ---
Indian Allot. Nr: --- Metes/Bounds: No

Land Descriptions
State Meridian Twp - Rng Aliquots Section Survey # County
ND 5th PM 136N - 049W NE¼NE¼ 22 Richland

Kari Lien's land, if you use the mapping feature at the glorecords.blm.gov site, is immediately adjacent to the path of I-29 south of Fargo near Colfax.

A Kari A Lien Naturalization records in North Dakota:
Lastname Firstname Country Papers Date County Volume Page Comments
Lien Kari A Norway 1st November 22, 1878 Cass D-2 274
Lien Kari A Norway 2nd December 19, 1883 Cass F-20 255

ND public Death Index:
LYSHAGEN, ANNE O 02/19/1924 Nelson FEMALE 91 Years 12/12/1832 North Dakota Nelson

Lyshagen family in 1875 Norwegian census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01052103005457

Lyshagen family in 1865 Norwegian census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01038072002288

11 Year old Bernt Lyshagen is listed in Philadelphia as arriving on the Lord Clive from Liverpool arrival date 18 Nov 1883.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:SQWX-H898-9?i=1478&cc=1921483&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKFD8-58Q

Edited by - jkmarler on 10/06/2021 16:36:51
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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/06/2021 :  12:55:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
#4 (right page) Anne
SAH, Sør-Aurdal prestekontor, Parish register (official) no. 3, 1825-1840, p. 92-93
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603960186

Birthdate doesn't match ND death records but her father is a soldier Anders Johannesen and her mother is Kari Arnesdatter and she is illegitimate, the 2nd such for her father, 1st such for her mother
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ToreL
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Posted - 08/06/2021 :  13:00:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If your family legend is to be believed, that Kari got pregnant with Anna while Gjest Bårdsen was still on the loose as an active thief, then Kari's pregnancy must have started in February of 1826 at the latest, and Anna must also have been born in 1826 at the latest.

A 1998 issue of Bergensposten (download), a publication for the Norwegian state archive in Bergen, contained some articles on Gjest Bårdsen, including a detailed chronology of his life.

That said, one should also take into account that the family story may have grown as the years went by, maybe starting out with a lesser character in the role as the villain.

Edited by - ToreL on 08/06/2021 13:16:19
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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/06/2021 :  13:56:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kari A Lind age 99 died 12 Sept 1901 and was buried 16 Sept 1901. In this record in the Sheyenne Lutheran church in Pekin North Dakota her birthplace was given as Sondre Aurdal, Norway.

Ole Lyshagen's death and funeral/ burial are also recorded in this church as occurring 10 July, 13 July 1905. His birthplace is only recorded as Norway.

Anne Lyshagen's age 91 death and funeral/ burial are also recorded in this church as occurring 19 Feb 1924 and 23 Feb 1924

North Dakota death certificate gives her father's name as Gubrand Lien. Informant Chris Walhood of Pekin N.D.

Gunhild Olsdatter Lyshagen's death at age 19 in Fargo occurred on 25 Aug 1885 with funeral / burial 29 Aug 1885 at this same church. Her birthplace is recorded as Nordre Land, Norway

Transcription of daughter Gunhild's baptism:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000031194794

Edited by - jkmarler on 30/09/2021 07:14:59
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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/06/2021 :  15:09:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Grand Forks daily Herald, Wed 25 Sept 1901 page 4:

"On Sept. 19 occurred the death of Mrs. Carrie Lien at the advanced age of 101 years. Mrs. Lien had lately arrived at Aneta, N.D. for a visit with her son, and on her arrival seemed to be in the best of health, but a few days after she began to fail and on the date above the slender thread of life was severed. Mrs Lien was perhaps the oldest resident of the state. Her home was at Colfax, N.D."
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jkmarler
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Posted - 08/06/2021 :  18:32:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In most family stories there is a kernel of truth.

It appears that Kari Lien and Anne Lyshagen each lived in North Dakota but some of the details in the story may or may not be true. For instance, it does not appear that Kari and Anne came together to America but that Kari came earlier and Anne and her familiy came after.

As for the connection to the infamous Gjest, that may or may not be true, but may be partly true. When famous criminals are involved, lots of families have shades of true stories.

When i was searching a familial connection to the Younger gang, I found their connection to the Dalton gang. Emmett Dalton remarked that oftentimes he would read in the paper that the Daltons did this or the Daltons did that but these events had happened hundreds if not thousands of miles from where the gang actually was at the time the event happened.
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ToreL
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Posted - 08/06/2021 :  20:56:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The first column here, taken from Torpa Bygdebook contains some lines about Ole Olsen and Anne Andersdatter. The last place (subfarm) they lived at before emigrating was called Lyshaugen under Vålhovd.

And it looks like Ole Olsen jr. preferred to americanize Vålhovd rather than Lysha(u)gen, turning it into Walhood. His marriage in the middle to the left here.

At Geni: https://www.geni.com/people/Ole-Walhood/6000000037453524845

Edited by - ToreL on 08/06/2021 22:43:24
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jkmarler
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Posted - 09/06/2021 :  05:31:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting at Geni.com. They don't know who Anne's parents are either or are maybe not interested for their purpose. Chris Walhood's first wife Mamie is listed as dead in 1900 but Christ had a rather checkered marital history and a spectacular divorce from Mamie about 1904 and later had two wives (not sisters) at the same time, you know bigamy....

Story about Ole Walhood:
http://digitalhorizonsonline.org/digital/collection/ndsl-books/id/42604/rec/4

Edited by - jkmarler on 10/10/2021 07:36:25
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ToreL
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Posted - 09/06/2021 :  13:07:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

#4 (right page) Anne
SAH, Sør-Aurdal prestekontor, Parish register (official) no. 3, 1825-1840, p. 92-93
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070603960186

Birthdate doesn't match ND death records but her father is a soldier Anders Johannesen and her mother is Kari Arnesdatter and she is illegitimate, the 2nd such for her father, 1st such for her mother


Transcribed. Toten was a parish East of Sør-Aurdal. Same information in slightly better handwriting
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ToreL
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Posted - 09/06/2021 :  13:51:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When Storødegårdseie is written in the church book, it indiactes that the person lived on some subfarm belonging to (eiet av) Storødegård.
Here is a (1950) list of farms in Sør-Aurdal. There is an upper (øvre) and lower (nedre) Storødegård, both clickable. One of them has a subfarm called Lien.

Edited by - ToreL on 09/06/2021 17:16:19
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WLauren
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Posted - 11/07/2021 :  05:59:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

If your family legend is to be believed, that Kari got pregnant with Anna while Gjest Bårdsen was still on the loose as an active thief, then Kari's pregnancy must have started in February of 1826 at the latest, and Anna must also have been born in 1826 at the latest.

A 1998 issue of Bergensposten (download), a publication for the Norwegian state archive in Bergen, contained some articles on Gjest Bårdsen, including a detailed chronology of his life.

That said, one should also take into account that the family story may have grown as the years went by, maybe starting out with a lesser character in the role as the villain.


lauren ward
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