| Author |
 Topic  |
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
 Posted - 14/11/2010 : 20:21:38
|
As I tried to point out, the emigration record says she was "G" - married, says "Konen" under Family pos. and is listed below Anders Jonsen, Lenæs supposedly her husband. The date of the emigration record is April 27, in the parish record she was "Pige" given attestation of birth, baptism and confirmation dated April 26. Married couples also have attestation of marriage.
I have not seen any records of the marriage between April 26 and 27.
Now, if they were married (or intended to do so in the nearest future) her husband could of course have died between 1882 and 1884.
Interesting to hear that a woman, about 20 years of age, homesteaded in US - or did she and her Norwegian husband do so?
All of this indicates that further studies have to take place in US.
Elen Olsdatter from Lenæs is the only one I have found which could be the ancestor of Edith Lueke.
|
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 15/11/2010 06:36:55 |
 |
|
|
jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7865 Posts |
Posted - 14/11/2010 : 20:47:34
|
Hi,
At the land patents database at www.glorecords.blm.gov site Ellen Garske's homestead is listed in Steele county (North Dakota) and was issued to Ellen Garske on 28 Feb 1891, legal land description was NE Sec 10, 156 N, 64W. Charles Garske had 2 index entries both in Steele County, the first issued on 19 Nov 1887 was SE Sec 3 156N 64W; the other issued 23 Mar 1903 was for property NESW Section 10, 156N, 64W and NWSE Sec 10, 156N, 64W.
Their divorce action made the Grand Forks Herald on 7 May 1912 at www.genealogybank.com. The snippet was small and could have been dealing with more than one case but if all the details in it portray the divorce of Ellen & Charles, it says that she hadn't seen Charles since 1901, but wasn't going to be allowed her divorce due to no grounds.
Perhaps the local newspaper might contain more details of interest, an obit for Ellen mentioning survivors or an article mentioning visits from relatives, a funeral home record might contain parental information, and even her homestead packet might have something. And another long shot would be baptismal records of her kids, first for the names of godparents (sometimes are relatives) and possibly showing the developments in her name.
Good Luck,
Jackie M. |
|
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 14/11/2010 : 21:14:21
|
Some info on Anders Johnsen,
he was born out of wedlock Sept 7 1845, parents John Johnsen and Marit Larsdatter, see #96.
Anders was confirmated July 22 1860, see #15.
In 1865 he was living with his parents (now married) at Brustøl.
|
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 14/11/2010 21:19:16 |
|
|
|
jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7865 Posts |
Posted - 14/11/2010 : 22:22:12
|
Hi,
About the photo: if it's a "postally used" card perhaps something can be learned from the postmark, the message written on it, and the stamp. If it's a studio portrait there is a wonderful database of Norwegian photographers at:
http://www.nb.no/pm_old/english.php
And perhaps there is a known feature in the picture in addition to the people which might be identifiable.
Jackie M. |
|
|
|
jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7865 Posts |
Posted - 14/11/2010 : 22:52:44
|
Hi,
Looking again at www.genealogybank.com revealed another newspaper entry about the Garske divorce and it puts an interesting complexion on things.
From the Philadelphia Inquirer, 7 May 1912:
"...with both husband and wife seeking divorce, both were refused such a decree bu Judge Templeton today, when Mrs. Ellen Garske admited that she had been married in Norway in 1880 to one Bert Evenson and that he was living as late as 1901 after she had wedded Charles...."
Curioser and curioser...
Jackie M. |
|
|
|
Lueke
Junior member
USA
31 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 05:49:33
|
Yes, this is getting very interesting indeed. I do hope to get to the bottom of this. I sent a message to my uncle, grandson of Ellen and Charles (age 93) to find if he knows any more. But I don't believe he knows more.
Upon looking at the reverse of the picture of the three from Norway, it could be three brothers, an older, tall one, and two younger boys, around 12-14 years. There is no letter or postage stamp or post mark on the back, but this:
Oxxx(I can't read this word) Kuntsdtr. Skjeggedal.
The boys are standing outside, you can tell that, from the grass.
They are standing next to a building and there is a house in the distance.
Sincerely, Edith
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Hi,
Looking again at www.genealogybank.com revealed another newspaper entry about the Garske divorce and it puts an interesting complexion on things.
From the Philadelphia Inquirer, 7 May 1912:
"...with both husband and wife seeking divorce, both were refused such a decree bu Judge Templeton today, when Mrs. Ellen Garske admited that she had been married in Norway in 1880 to one Bert Evenson and that he was living as late as 1901 after she had wedded Charles...."
Curioser and curioser...
Jackie M.
|
|
|
|
Lueke
Junior member
USA
31 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 05:51:38
|
Yes, before North Dakota became a state in 1889, Ramsey County was part of Steele county; I've found other Ramsey records there.
Edith
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Hi,
At the land patents database at www.glorecords.blm.gov site Ellen Garske's homestead is listed in Steele county (North Dakota) and was issued to Ellen Garske on 28 Feb 1891, legal land description was NE Sec 10, 156 N, 64W. Charles Garske had 2 index entries both in Steele County, the first issued on 19 Nov 1887 was SE Sec 3 156N 64W; the other issued 23 Mar 1903 was for property NESW Section 10, 156N, 64W and NWSE Sec 10, 156N, 64W.
Their divorce action made the Grand Forks Herald on 7 May 1912 at www.genealogybank.com. The snippet was small and could have been dealing with more than one case but if all the details in it portray the divorce of Ellen & Charles, it says that she hadn't seen Charles since 1901, but wasn't going to be allowed her divorce due to no grounds.
Perhaps the local newspaper might contain more details of interest, an obit for Ellen mentioning survivors or an article mentioning visits from relatives, a funeral home record might contain parental information, and even her homestead packet might have something. And another long shot would be baptismal records of her kids, first for the names of godparents (sometimes are relatives) and possibly showing the developments in her name.
Good Luck,
Jackie M.
|
|
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 06:17:35
|
quote:
Oxxx(I can't read this word) Kuntsdtr. Skjeggedal.
It is only a few Skjeggedal farms in Norway (possibly 8). It would be nice if you can tell what time the Photo was taken, also could Kuntsdtr. be Knutsdtr? and how many letters are there after the O in the given name?
A scanned text may also give a possibility to read it.
|
Einar |
|
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 06:53:11
|
quote:
Mrs. Ellen Garske admited that she had been married in Norway in 1880 to one Bert Evenson and that he was living as late as 1901 after she had wedded Charles..
- no Bert Evensen recorded in the 1900 census.
There was 32 Bernt Evensen and just one Bent Evensen, he was married but it was the first one.
|
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 15/11/2010 08:28:19 |
|
|
|
jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7865 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 16:42:06
|
Hi,
I looked at my Steele county atlas and clearly the location identified is not in the same land as Steele county is comprised of today.
Since we don't know when or where she parted from her first husband, he could easily also be in the U.S. in 1900 as well.
It would probably be worthwhile to get the whole divorce file, if it exists, and the newspaper reports on it, provided they have a few more details.
If you are able to you may want to post both sides of the postcard here for everyone to take a look. I don't know the tech part of doing that here but others on the forum have done so.
Good Luck...
Jackie M.
|
|
|
|
jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 20:27:08
|
I have a strong feeling that we have to look in Aust-Agder county for these people.
Look at this Marriage record (#2, 1878):
Widower Børuf Evensen & Øli Olsdr
Marriage: 26 JAN 1878, Tovdal in Åmli, Aust-Agder, Norway
Øli is from Skjeggedal farm in Tovdal in Åmli, Aust-Agder. Father: Ole Ahresen.
Here is Øli with father at Søndre Skjæggedal farm in Tovdal, Åmli, Aust-Agder in Census-1865. He is a widower at age 35.
Øli Olsdtr
Born 28-Mar-1858
Conf. 12-Oct-1873
Parents: Ole Aresen Skjeggedal & Tora Knutsdtr
Knud Olsen (Brother)
Born 22-Jul-1863
Chr. 23-Aug-1863
Conf. 05-Oct-1879
Parents: Ole Aresen Skjeggedal & Tora Knutsdtr
I can see how Øli could become Elin in the US, but her birthyear is a bit off...
Jan Peter |
|
|
|
hasto
Senior member
Norway
294 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 21:46:14
|
| Børuf Evensen is listed as a widower in 1900 census. I think she left him. This looks like a good match! Ellen was Øli in Norway, a very rare name. |
Harald S Storaker
4586 Korshamn, Norge |
|
|
|
jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
|
|
eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
6495 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 22:21:24
|
| Difficult to say who left who, Børuf Evensen, Vrolstad moved out from Tovdal in April 1882 with the intention of emigrating to Amerika, see #1. |
Einar |
Edited by - eibache on 15/11/2010 22:55:30 |
|
|
|
hasto
Senior member
Norway
294 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 22:28:02
|
A blind shot: - there is an emigrant from Kristiansand in 1883 called Aline Hansen - an unmarried maid.
I can't see anyone in 1865 census Åmli (Omlid) with a name like that.
- Maybe Øli Olsdatter used wrong name when she left Norway, and maybe she was inaccurate about her age in USA? |
Harald S Storaker
4586 Korshamn, Norge |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Olsen or Ohlsen Christiansand to Minnesota
