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Cheryl Behrens
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 Posted - 13/05/2021 : 21:51:34
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| Yes, I do believe that is mine. Can you tell me what is being described in the second link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/db10101603101164. I have never seen such a large entry for one person. I usually put a few of the Norwegian words into a translation to English dictionary, but the handwriting is very fine and I am having considerable trouble. Hans Hansen would have been 30 yr at the time of the entry, ruling out baptism or confirmation, he did not marry until 1885, and this entry was made 1870/71. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 13/05/2021 : 22:05:18
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| That is Hans' prison record. He was convicted of theft several times with increasingly longer sentences. He was still in prison in the 1875 census listing. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/05/2021 : 00:16:16
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https://www.digitalarkivet.no/db10101603101164
Hans Hansen Hjelseth, born 22 December 1841 in Bolsø parish by parents Hans Hansen Hjelseth and wife Agathe Rolsdatter, confirmed in Molde on 12 Oct 1856 with "good knowledge" (in Christianity).
1st conviction: Christiansand, August 1st 1867. 15 days on water & bread for theft ("Vand og Brød i 15 Dage").
2nd conviction: Mandal, April 21st 1869. 20 days prison for 2nd time theft and begging ("Tyveri og Betleri").
3rd conviction: October 13, 1869. 6 months penal labor for 3rd time theft. Released from Christiansand penitentiary 22 Apr 1870.
4th conviction: Nordre Jarlsberg, February 11th 1871. 1 year penal labor for 4th time theft and 2nd time begging. |
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Cheryl Behrens
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Posted - 14/05/2021 : 21:02:49
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| Wow, not the content I expected!! But thank you VERY much for your translation help. Anything we learn searching our genealogy is fascinating, even Hans' story. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/05/2021 : 21:53:53
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| Hans also served as a soldier before this. There is always more to the story especially since he was still in prison in 1875. But if you are desperate, maybe one meal a day, even if it's bread & water, is better than no meal a day. |
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jkmarler
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jwiborg
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Posted - 15/05/2021 : 11:03:05
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Ref the right page of Hans' prison record:
His mother lives in Molde, and Hans hasn't been in Molde for 12 yrs. This seems to have been written in 1871. Hans is 30, and hasn't seen his poor mother since he was 18?? Too busy stealing and serving time?? 
He has been living in Christiansand for 7 years.
I think the two Hansens' (Iver and Peder) mentioned in Bolsø are his uncles (brothers of father) |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 15/05/2021 : 13:01:18
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Could be about the named brothers being uncles instead.
Hjelseth seems to have a really variable spelling:
Gjelseth
Kjølsæt
Hjolset
Hyslsette
Kjelseth
Hjælset
Hjelsæth
Hjælset
Hjelset
Jellset
Jælset |
Edited by - jkmarler on 16/05/2021 02:02:19 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/05/2021 : 14:08:32
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Ref the right page of Hans' prison record:
His mother lives in Molde, and Hans hasn't been in Molde for 12 yrs. This seems to have been written in 1871. Hans is 30, and hasn't seen his poor mother since he was 18?? Too busy stealing and serving time??
He has been living in Christiansand for 7 years.
I think the two Hansens' (Iver and Peder) mentioned in Bolsø are his uncles (brothers of father)
He was caught a number of times, so he might not have been that adept as a thief or a beggar. It would be interesting to see if there are any records of his military service.
I did look through the deaths/ funerals in Arendal for 1920-1922 but found no mention. Was he a dissenter? |
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Cheryl Behrens
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Posted - 15/05/2021 : 21:36:13
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This information expands Hans' family background for me, which I appreciate. I now have his mother Aagot's census info and when she died, thank you for sharing that.
I only knew of two siblings for Hans, a sister Berith b. 1832 and a brother Roe b. 1837, now you have given me his sister Karen Marie, whom his widowed mother lived with. I knew that his father was also named Hans Hansen, who worked as a tailor, and married Aagot in 1831 in Bolsoy, More Og Romsdal, but nothing else until you translated the prison record stating his father has been dead for some time (prior 1870/71), also new information.
When you mention Hans served as a soldier, do you mean as a seaman? And is a dissenter also a deserter? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/05/2021 : 00:59:38
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Originally posted by Cheryl Behrens
When you mention Hans served as a soldier, do you mean as a seaman? And is a dissenter also a deserter?
Here he is called "dreng nu soldat" which means "boy now soldier"
Leaving parish:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/291/pu00000000139228
#3 utflyttedes
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Møre og Romsdal, 558/L0689: Parish register (official) no. 558A03, 1843-1872, p. 684-685
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050707010344
In the first paragraph of the left hand page of Hans' prison record it says 5 years [something} with 2nd company of Christiansand's (the problem with Christiansand vs Christiansund dilemma is usually solved with a little smiley mark above a "u" which is not found in this copy) brigade.
A dissenter is someone who believes and / or practices some other religion than the Lutheran church of the state--even friLutheran is a dissenter. Sometimes dissenters are included in the regular parish registers--usually if the membership in the group is small--but occasionally you find that they have their own section of the books or have their own separate set of books. A nephew of Hans was Methodist for instance:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01053104002475
Because his mother is listed in the 1865 census as "e" in marital status, you now know his father died before 1 Jan 1866 (the date of the 1865 census) since "e" stands for "enke", or "enkemand" meaning widow or widower.
You are welcome! |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/05/2021 : 11:44:27
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Here he is called "dreng nu soldat" which means "boy now soldier"
I think dreng in this context means farm boy. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/05/2021 : 15:39:27
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Originally posted by jwiborg
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
Here he is called "dreng nu soldat" which means "boy now soldier"
I think dreng in this context means farm boy.
Could be.
#12 Berit confirmation:
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Møre og Romsdal, 555/L0653: Parish register (official) no. 555A04, 1843-1869, p. 364-365
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050707020172
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Cheryl Behrens
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Posted - 16/05/2021 : 19:56:27
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| Do you know if military duty was compulsory around 1860? I wonder if Hans joined the 'brigade' voluntarily or were young men, farm boys, being 'drafted' into service... |
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Cheryl Behrens
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Posted - 17/05/2021 : 16:50:11
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I found the answer to my last question, reading about the history of the Norwegian Army, I learned there was universal conscription introduced in 1854.
Thank you all again, Norway Heritage helpers, I have learned so much through your research! |
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