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Originally posted by AntonH

If this is the same guy in 1910 it it is a little hard to think he is the same guy named Ben Johnson father of Ruth C from Montana?

Charles H Johnston
Census • United States, Census, 1910

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MV21-X9Z?lang=en

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Originally posted by AntonH

I thin you got a hit. last name is probably Folin?

Ben Johnson
in the Oregon, U.S., State Marriages, 1906-1971
Name Ben Johnson
Gender Male
Race White
Age 25
Birth Date abt 1887
[abt 1887]
Birth Place England
Marriage Date 10 Apr 1912
Marriage Place Portland, Multnomah, Oregon, USA
Spouse
Jennie Falin
Certificate Number 22087
File Number 1716082

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/61677/records/120428046?tid=&pid=&queryId=71b69ee7-fe9c-4082-9df5-547b532eacd2&_phsrc=ETp14&_phstart=successSource

https://u.cubeupload.com/AntonHagelee/c02Screenshot20260224at.png

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Originally posted by MarAan

Question
This certificate for Ruth Christine Johnson was made on 31 Jan 1973 and approved on 6 Feb 1973. She was baptized at a Missouri Synod church, Trinity in Sidney, Montana on 14 June 1914. It was apparently sent to 11916 Wagner St in Culver City. Yes]
That seems like Ruth herself has asked for that birth and bapitsem certificate ?

Yes

thats the same adress her mother Jennie /Kristianne had so seems like she has moved in there too or we can read it like that in the lines ?

That's what it appears to mean.

So we agree of Ruths father was Ben Johnson from England

Yes

and that Jennie divorced him at some point ? around or before 1920 ?

If we accept that the Jennie Johnson b 1897 Norway who is divorced and is a seamstress working in a hat factory in Jackson county Missouri in 1920 census is "our" Jennie In that case it would mean Ben had remarried and that would explain the name Elsie being used as Ben's widow (by the way) there is a Elsie Johnson b 1870 Sweden widowed who is living in Kansas City, Missouri in 1920 census also

Kristanne /Jennie is also called Folin from Ben or from herself ?

From herself since each are being married for the first time

Where does the Warner comes in her last name ? since it said Warner aka Johnston ?
Is there a Warner that died 19 October 1951 ?

Yes--We have seen George E Warner died 19 Oct 1951. He was a long-time California resident and in 1950 1940 there is a Geo (the short form of George) Warner aged 66 living in an institution in Los Angeles. It was a private hospital / nursing home called St.Earn's. (Name came from the owner of the Home, his last named was Stern so he made it seem like a regular institution.) He may have been divorced from his prior wife Myra. but we lack the marriage record between Jennie and ____ Warner. Here is link to his death certificate and wife is named Jennie Warner, Also the informant is his daughter who was sometime known as Dorothy Chamberlain:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9SJ-Z9V?view=index&personArk=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQP3C-MLB2&action=view&cc=2001287&lang=en&groupId=


and Charles is clearly in several files with her when she got visited with her niece Hjørdis (thats a story for herself that Anne Grethe , Isak dies she Anne Grethe goes to Narvik and work at a hotel there and get pregnant with that utterstedt that still was married to another woman ) but lets consentrate on Kristianne /Jennie gets that visit in 1937 , and there it says Hjørdis is visiting her aunt MRS ,Charles Johnston so possible a divorce more and a new marriage after that ?

It appears likely that both she and Charles married others--Charles to a former wife and Jennie to a _____ Warner. But no records of either marriage have been found.We are also lacking the actual marriage record of Jennie and Charles.



Like we used to have name on the farmhouses like Furuli -Folin ? before we got number so is it possible that when she told where she came from she would say Furuli and they wrote it as Folin ?

]Or maybe that she pronounced it so the English speakers could understand it. And /or adopted it for all her important records like getting her Social Security #, etc.

So she started using Jennie right away by 1912, Falin or Folin right away also.

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Originally posted by MarAan

yes, that link above with George E Warner looks good ,but on same time she has not the same adress as he in the papers of him dead.
The adress we find Jennie at is 11916 Wagner StCulver City, CA 90230, USA and her daughter clearly the same adress in 1973 .
Thank You for all Your findings.
In the death about Ben Johnson it says a lot about Ruth C Johnson to get 200 dollars , so clearly she got it even if Ben remarried .

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