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debbiecraig1952
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USA
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Posted - 26/04/2007 :  18:39:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
my great-great-grandmother Cecilia Lundgren (later to become Mrs. Charles Hilstrom in Chicago) was born in Stavanger in 1847. The family emigrated to the US in about 1853. I believe her parents names were Olaf and Johann, although I am not positive. Where might I begin looking in census, etc? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. I know nothing more for certain than this.

Hopkins
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USA
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Posted - 26/04/2007 :  20:13:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cecilia would have left Norway before the 1865 census - so a relatively easy search in that database is useless. The next earlier census of all persons was 1801 -- too early for your purpose.

You could search emigration databases for the port of Stavanger but be aware that those are not complete because of a destructive fire.
You can also plan to search the various congregations in the city of Stavanger for 1847 births/baptisms. There was more than one church congregation in that city - so make a list and start checking each one.

Have you exhausted the US information available for Cecilia? obituary? marriage record? all census enumerations? Chicago city directories? American church records?
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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 26/04/2007 :  20:29:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,
I guess this is them in census-1880 for Chicago, Illinois.

Cecilia does not look to be Mary's mother...

Jan Peter
Edited by - jwiborg on 26/04/2007 20:30:46
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Lislcat
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USA
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Posted - 26/04/2007 :  20:49:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think she is her daughter. The original census lists Mary as being born in Illinois.

Wanda
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Lislcat
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Posted - 26/04/2007 :  20:53:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It does list her mother as being from Sweden, but I had a great grandparent listed as being from Norway, because her husband was and she was born in Wisconsin, so I'm going to keep looking.

Wanda
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Lislcat
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Posted - 27/04/2007 :  15:36:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For some reason, those links didn't work. Sorry, about that. Here's the info from Charles Hilstrom's death certificate.


HILSTROM, CHARLES 07/28/1904 CHICAGO 60 YR U 00006067 COOK

And here is the info on Cecilia.

HILSTROM CECILIA F/W UNK 6034571 1928-11-29 COOK CHICAGO 28-12-01 (the first date is the death date and the second is the date filed.
Here is the link for the state of Illinois databases.
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html

Hopefully that link will help you. Wanda
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 29/04/2007 :  07:50:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I found your great-great-grandmother Cecilia Agnete Lundgren in Stavanger, born Dec 12, baptized Dec 26. Her parents Anders Oluf Lundgreen and Maria Magdalene. Her father was a cooper - barrels needed for the herrings fished at that time.
See #416 at http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1669&idx_id=1669&uid=ny&idx_side=-122
Einar
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Kċarto
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Norway
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Posted - 30/04/2007 :  00:52:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The name Lundgren sound Swedish to me, could this be a younger brother of Anders Oluf Lundgren or an older brother of Cecilie Agnete, this Peter Lungren was also a copper:

Peter Lungren, Housefather, age 32, copper and wife Amanda Helmann age 22, both born in Sweden and their one year old daughter Ellen Amanda b. in Stavanger.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=22&filnamn=f61103&gardpostnr=646&personpostnr=6585&merk=6585#ovre

Kċre
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Lislcat
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USA
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Posted - 30/04/2007 :  06:22:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What is the word after Maria Magdalene's name on Cecilia's birth/baptismal record?

Wanda
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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 30/04/2007 :  07:22:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The same parents had a girl by the same name in Gothenburg, Sweden in 1845. She probably died as an infant.

Cecilia Agnetta Andersdr Lundgren
Christening: 24 AUG 1845, Lundby Forsamling, Goteborg, Goteborg Och Bohus, Sweden
Parents: Anders Olof Lundgren & Maria Magdalena Erland

Jan Peter
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Kċarto
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Norway
5861 Posts
Posted - 30/04/2007 :  09:55:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The word after Maria Magdalene is the name of the house or area where they lived in Stavanger, this was in the area around the Dome.
Three of the parents of this page live on the same place.

I think it´s Rosenvoldhaugen, likely named after the owner Rosenvold, haugen means heap.

Stavanger Dome and church records from Stavanger:
http://www.disnorge.no/rogaland/kirker/stv_dom.htm
http://www.artemisia.no/arc/historisk/stavanger/stavanger.domkirke.html

Kċre
Edited by - Kċarto on 30/04/2007 10:02:30
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 30/04/2007 :  22:27:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just some more info on the word after Maria Magdalene:
It is close to Rosenvoldhaugen - it is Rosenkildhougen - members of the Rosenkilde family can be found in Stavanger from about 1700 up to 1850 - today there is a Rosenkildegate (Rosenkilde street) in Stavanger, at the bottom of a hill not far from the Dome.
Einar
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debbiecraig1952
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USA
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Posted - 17/06/2007 :  19:47:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hopkins

Cecilia would have left Norway before the 1865 census - so a relatively easy search in that database is useless. The next earlier census of all persons was 1801 -- too early for your purpose.

You could search emigration databases for the port of Stavanger but be aware that those are not complete because of a destructive fire.
You can also plan to search the various congregations in the city of Stavanger for 1847 births/baptisms. There was more than one church congregation in that city - so make a list and start checking each one.

Have you exhausted the US information available for Cecilia? obituary? marriage record? all census enumerations? Chicago city directories? American church records?


Since my first post, I received from another kind volunteer the parish record showing Cecilia's baptism at Domkirken, Frue. I've located the archives on the internet, so I plan to browse the records of that parish to see if I can find her parents marriage, or emigration recorded in them.


I have done considerable work using Ancestry.com and have found 1870 census in Chicago, but not yet 1860 or 1880. I have death certificate. Also several children's birth records. But I appreciate your suggestions.
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debbiecraig1952
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Posted - 17/06/2007 :  19:52:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg

Hi,
I guess this is them in census-1880 for Chicago, Illinois.

Cecilia does not look to be Mary's mother...

Jan Peter


That's them! If the surname was transcribed as HITSTROM that will explain why my search has so far failed to find them in that year's records. I've found many isntances of transcriber error, misspellings, etc, but that is to be expected, even today with standardized spellings! Thanks so much. I'll get a copy of the original document the next time I'm at the library now that I know what to look for.
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debbiecraig1952
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USA
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Posted - 17/06/2007 :  19:56:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lislcat

It does list her mother as being from Sweden, but I had a great grandparent listed as being from Norway, because her husband was and she was born in Wisconsin, so I'm going to keep looking.

Wanda


This is the best message board community I've ever posted to! You folks are great.

Yes, this is my Cecilia and her husband Charles Hilstrom. I didn't have any record of Mary, but that doesn't mean a lot - many children died early in life in those days.
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debbiecraig1952
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Posted - 17/06/2007 :  19:58:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lislcat

For some reason, those links didn't work. Sorry, about that. Here's the info from Charles Hilstrom's death certificate.


HILSTROM, CHARLES 07/28/1904 CHICAGO 60 YR U 00006067 COOK

And here is the info on Cecilia.

HILSTROM CECILIA F/W UNK 6034571 1928-11-29 COOK CHICAGO 28-12-01 (the first date is the death date and the second is the date filed.
Here is the link for the state of Illinois databases.
http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases.html

Hopefully that link will help you. Wanda





thanks
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