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dsenk
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Posted - 19/12/2007 :  04:11:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They were married in Norway. Came to America at different times,. She came in 1920 with 2 daughters. Dagmar's mothers name was Dina Gulbrandsen

Debbie

Lester Hanson
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Posted - 19/12/2007 :  21:16:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think we have a start!

There are emigrants from Kristiania that seem to match. They departed 9 October 1920 for New york, on the Henriksen Line. Ship name is Stvr.fj. (Sorry I didn't try and find the actual ships name yet.)

Dagmar Karlsen born 8 Sept. 1883.
Jenny Karlsen born 17 Dec 1904
Gulborg Karlsen born 19 July 1906.

Are these your people?

Les
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Hopkins
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Posted - 19/12/2007 :  21:58:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ah - some dates and a location to work with!!

"Stvr.fj." would be the S/S Stavangerfjord - a brief history and photos here -
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_ship.asp?sh=stafj

The emigration database entry lists their previous residence as "Ensjøvn. 1" which I would assume is a street address in Oslo/Kristiania. Parish records for the Norwegian Lutheran church that should include the residentsof the street of Ensjøveien should probably be found in the congregation known as Kampen in Oslo.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=4&filnamn=emikra1&gardpostnr=249437&sokefelt=skjul

What exactly is being sought "dsenk"??
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eibache
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Posted - 19/12/2007 :  22:46:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The daughter Jenny was born dec. 17, she is #10 here
the father was Jens Julius Edvard Karlsen, born 1881 and the mother Dagmar Antonie Johansen, born 1883. They lived in Havegaden 5 and were married in Kampen church.
Gulborgs baptismal record is #187 here
they then lived at Bøgaden 23.
The marriage record is #77 here

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 19/12/2007 22:56:40
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 20/12/2007 :  00:30:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dagmar's parents and siblings are in the 1900 Census for Oslo.

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=8&filnamn=f00301&gardpostnr=5112&personpostnr=134752&merk=134752#ovre

Dagmar appears to have made several trips back and forth from the US and Norway.

She applied for Naturalization papers at the Superior Court, Fairfield County, Stratford, CT, 22 September 1926.

Connecticutt death records indicate she died 3 Nov. 1966, age 83, a widow.

Edited by - Lester Hanson on 20/12/2007 00:39:26
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eibache
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Posted - 20/12/2007 :  07:45:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The confirmation record, #18 here
gives the following info
Jens Edvard Julius was born in Oslo Nov 18 1880 and baptized April 18 1881. His father was mason Carl Karlsen and his mother was Juliane Andersen.
The confirmation record #194 here
gives the following info
Dagmar Antonie was born in Christiania Sept 8 1883 and baptized Dec 26 1883. Her father was carpenter Ole Johohansen (should have been Johannesen!) and her mother was D Margrethe Gudbrandsen.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 20/12/2007 19:56:45
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eibache
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Posted - 20/12/2007 :  15:29:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The birth record for Ole Peter Johansen, Dagmars father, is most likely #171 here
His parents were Johan Johannesen and Catrine Pedersdatter living at Søreng in Eidsberg.
Kathrine Pedersdatter was from Sweden, see here

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 20/12/2007 17:37:27
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 20/12/2007 :  19:29:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The marriage record for Johan Johannesen and Cathrine Pedersdatter is 19 Sept. 1852.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=358&idx_id=358&uid=ny&idx_side=-

Les
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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 20/12/2007 :  20:10:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Johan Johanesens birth record is #61
his parents were Johannes Christiansen and Olea Petersdatter.
They lived at Vestbye Plads in Ous (Os), Rakkestad and were farmers.
Johan moved from Rakkestad to Eidsberg in 1851, see #26
Cathrine (nickname Anika) also came to Eidsberg in 1851, see #11

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 20/12/2007 20:26:53
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Lester Hanson
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Posted - 20/12/2007 :  20:47:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the Immigration record for Jens Edvard Julius Karlsen, leaving from Kristiania 9 September 1911.

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe

Destination Ohio!

Les
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dsenk
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Posted - 22/12/2007 :  17:54:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jenny was my grandmother. Dagmar my great grandmother. I am researching as far back as I can get. Thank you all for the info. Any and all is greatly appreciated. I have some photos from Norway and Sweden, but I don't know who all of them are. Jenny's father in law came from Sweden. Where can I get the same kind of info on them. Does anyone know. I have been searching everywhere I can think of.

Debbie

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Hopkins
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Posted - 22/12/2007 :  19:07:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
First, you'll have to find information about those Swedes - names, birthdates (or years) and some hint about WHERE in Sweden they came from.

There are ways to research in Swedish parish records -- but you have to know which parish. That will be your first challenge.

Sometimes you can work with information found in US census records gathering name(s) used, birthyear, year of immigration to the US. From the immigration year you MIGHT be able to find an emigration record of them leaving Sweden that lists which parish they previously resided in.

I needed to help a very good friend do some Swedish research a few years ago. We studied the Research Guide for Sweden that LDS makes available online through familysearch.org website AND the articles at this other website below - Both resources taught us much about what was available and how to find and use it.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~swewgw/

Good luck.


Let me add a link for a LARGE collection of sites concerning Sweden and Swedish genealogy research -
http://www.cyndislist.com/sweden.htm

Edited by - Hopkins on 22/12/2007 19:28:10
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dsenk
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Posted - 31/12/2007 :  04:22:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can I find out dates of death and causes for any of the above people. I am really interested in how my ancestors died. Whether old age or disease. How far back can I go.

Debbie
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Hopkins
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Posted - 31/12/2007 :  16:37:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You start with knowing WHERE they were last living. Search the church records of that area for deaths -- start at last known alive date and then search after that until found. Listings of details about cause of death are not common - but occasionally exist in the parish records.

You can keep researching generations earlier and earlier until records for the time period no longer exist for the area you are interested in.
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dsenk
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Posted - 03/01/2008 :  04:58:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is there any information on D Margrethe Gudbrandsen in the records. All I have is her name and that she was married to Ole Johannsen. I can't seem to find anything else on her.
Thank you

Debbie
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Hopkins
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Posted - 03/01/2008 :  18:45:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you go back to the 1900 census link for Dagmar and her family that Lester gave you on the 20th of Dec - you'll notice that the mother's approximate birthyear is listed and her birthplace.

A few abbreviations are commonly used in a census enumeration but those can be "de-coded" -
From Follesdal's articles (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/articles.html)
The article concentrating on the Norwegian censuses (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na0.html)
and the detail he lists about the 1900 census (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/1900.html)
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