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ronfeniak
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Canada
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 Posted - 03/04/2012 : 16:54:17
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| All I know about Martin Anderson's background comes from Newfoundland census records. He was born in Norway in 1850 and emigrated to Newfoundland in 1876. His religion was Salvation Army and his birth location in Norway was spelled Scarulr although the writing was hard to read and I could find no places in Norway of similar name. I can not find Martin Anderson in the Quebec arrival lists nor can I find him in the Norwegian census of 1875 (the only Martin Anderson born in 1850 that I found in that census was married with a child and does not appear to be the person of interest). Can anyone help me trace his Norwegian roots? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 18:12:33
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Very few words in Norwegian begin with Sc, try Sk
And even with the limited info you have you could take a look for every Martin Anderson b. 1850 in the 1865 census transcription. Unfortunately there are likely to be many.
Also the 1875 census transcription online is not comprehensive, not all places are yet included.
The birthplace may not be a town, village or bigger place to appear on a map but its also possible that it is a farm name.
The extra letters in the Norwegian alphabet also get transformed in English renderings to unheardof forms in Norway. FYI
What was his occupation in New Foundland? Is the document containing the word for his birthplace online somewhere? |
Edited by - jkmarler on 03/04/2012 19:26:08 |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 20:36:58
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Hi.
Martin Andersen b. 1850:
Is 1850 from a document or is it calculated from the age of a certificate?
Acc to the LDS records there were 43 Martin Andersen b. 1850 in Norway + 5 in the 1880 US census.
The 1875 cenus for Norway is not complete online.
SCARULR is Americanized. The ending ...ulr is not Norwegian.
Skar....
Skaar...
Skarul....
Skarud
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ronfeniak
New on board
Canada
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 21:40:20
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many thanks for two quick replies ... Scarulr was recorded by a census taker in Newfoundland in 1921 and must be a phoetic guesstimate at how to spell it in English. This Martin Anderson arrived in Newfoundland (not a province of Canada until 1949) in 1876 and stayed there for the remainer of his life. The birth year of 1850 could be plus or minus a year as it is calculated from his age given in the census.
43 is not a huge number ... I could probably narrow it down using Norwegian census data (i.e. he would have been in Norway in 1865 and 1875 but not in 1900, nor would he be in the 1880 US census). However, the best way if the data is available is probably 1875/6 passenger lists or arrivals in New York and Quebec of Norwegians born in 1850 +/- one year. |
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/04/2012 : 23:51:35
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I also belive Scarulr is phonetic of where he came from in Norway, probably a farmname.
I have tried to pronunce it in English to find out what it might be in Norwegian with no sucess so far.
But he exist in the Norwegian 1865 census, a great advantage for you.
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Kċarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 04/04/2012 : 00:07:27
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Is it him who in Newfoundland 1882 at age 27 married Amalie Elizabet Wheeler age 17( b. Jan. 27. 1865 in Twillingate) ? She died Mai 30. 1900 in Pilleys Island.
He is believd to be the Martin Anderson bc 1850 in Norway, in the Grand Falls R.S. 1921 census.
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ronfeniak
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Posted - 04/04/2012 : 00:26:16
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| Yes, that is him! I have a copy of the original census and although the database where I first found it transcribed the place as Scarulr, it looks a little differentthan thatto me. If I can figure out how to send you a picture of the original census writing it might help you to decipher the word. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 04/04/2012 : 00:36:53
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| Another tactic / strategy would be, if you think New Foundland was his destination from the beginning you could look at each of the emigrant's lists at the Digitalarkivet website searching for destinations containing found... Have you ever seen those databases? |
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ronfeniak
New on board
Canada
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Posted - 04/04/2012 : 01:19:59
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| Hard to say whether he knew his ultimate desination all along ... it does not seem that there were many Norwegians emigrating to Newfoundland at that time. I am not familiar with those databases but it might be a good idea to check them out |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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hudson
Starting member
Canada
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Posted - 06/09/2016 : 20:46:31
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| Hi, Martin Anderson from what I know lived in a town in Newfoundland once known as Grand Falls Relay Station. It was set up near the near paper mill town of Grand Falls around 1904-05. Martin was one of its earliest residents. He was a shoemaker. He was the first person to built a house in this new town. His son William Anderson known as "Billie Anderson" had a gas station and general store. Billie also had a Steam tractor that he used to haul logs to sell to the paper mill. Also when he was asked by the census taker in 1921 where he was from, the census taker would have wrote down what it sounded like to him. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jkmarler
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/09/2016 : 23:23:34
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A link to the actual image of that census page is available by going through the LDS Family History Library CATALOG.
Search - Newfoundland
Census 1921
I searched for Martin Anderson and it responded that the indexer had listed as "Morten Anderson" and Annie in Grand Falls Station - link to image from there.
I'm not absolutely sure that the first letter was meant to be an S... but I can't think of what location in Norway it could be... |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2016 : 01:57:50
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Here is how the FamilySearch page is presented to me.
Morten Anderson
Newfoundland Census, 1921
Name Morten Anderson
Event Type Census
Event Date 1921
Event Place Grand Falls Station, Twillingate, Newfoundland, Canada
Gender Male
Age 70
Marital Status Widowed
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1851
Birthplace Scamen Norway
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 07/09/2016 : 02:11:33
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He may have had several children with Amalie long before the 1921 Census including thia one named James.
Other information in the record of James Anderson
from Newfoundland Vital Statistics
Name James Anderson
Event Type Birth
Event Date 20 Apr 1884
Event Place New Bay, Twillingate, Newfoundland, Canada
Gender Male
Father's Name Martin Anderson
Mother's Name Amelia
And a Augustus Adolphus Anderson born in 1893 |
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