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bmcnallie
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 Posted - 15/04/2012 : 15:19:02
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I am trying to find decendents of Thorstein Pedersen (1813) and Elisabet Torrisdatter (1819) that might still live in Norway. In the 1865 Norway Census they were living in Hedmark in the Asnes area on a farm called Braaten. They married September 3, 1843. The children are Pernille Tostensdatter (this is the spelling I found on FamilySearch.org) born 1842 or 4, Thea Tostensdatter—1847, Ole Thornsteinsen—1851, Karn Torrisdatter 1854), Olina Thornsteinsdatter—1858, Kristiana Torrisdatter (1860), Thorstein Torrisen (1863). I know that Olina came to the USA in 1881 and eventually married. She was my husband's great grandmother. I did find the family still living on that farm in 1875 from information on Familysearch.org.
If these names sound familiar to anyone or have an idea of how I can proceed on this, please let me know. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/04/2012 : 15:52:01
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Pernille was born August 1 1842, see #243. Her parents was not married at that time, they were Tosten (=Thorstein) Pedersen and Lisabet (=Elisabet) Tørrisdatter.
Thea was born Aug 5 1847, see #232.
Later parish records for Åsnes detroyed by fire. |
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Edited by - eibache on 15/04/2012 16:12:42 |
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AntonH
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peder
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bmcnallie
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Posted - 15/04/2012 : 22:21:00
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Lyndal and Peder....I have previously found both of those census records you showed. Pernille is the same person in the 1865 census...married and with a child. I did not know that the parents were not married when she was born.
My problem now is...I don't know how to proceed to see if there are any living relatives in that same area of Norway. I will try to see if I can find them in the Bygdebok for Asnes.
I am pretty sure that Pernille emmigrated to the USA...I think in 1871. As well as Oline. But don't know about the rest. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 02:14:45
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Did you consult the bygdebok?
Ã…snesboka |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 16:13:30
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Trying to find descendants and living relatives is a very very different 'science' than is ancestry research. Most modern countries have privacy limits for what records are open to the public. Norway does not release population schedule information from censuses for 100 years, similarly the US limits that to 72 years. Church or secular records of births/marriages and sometimes deaths are also usually protected by similar limitations.
It is always recommended that genealogy information for living persons NOT be published. If you publish a family tree - do not include names and details about the living without their full knowledge and permission.
A published Norwegian bygdebok for the pertinent area MIGHT have included some later genealogy information - check the publication date then check the contents the author chose to include.
I have encountered living relatives who live in Norway because we were both actively researching the same ancestors and accidentally met online, one 'cousin' from Norway was actually traveling through the city of my US residence and we discovered common ancestors while visiting with a small group of active genealogy researchers at a local library. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 17:13:10
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Hi,
You may want to join the Sølorlag here in America. They have a genealogist who may be able to help you, if you join their lag.
http://www.solorlag.com/www.solorlag.com/About_Us.html
And while the privacy concerns Hopkins outlined for Norway are true, there are a few databases online which still might help you with more modern folk (such as www.1881.no and the tax lists 2006-2009) Of course, you have to have a name to search them..
But you have about 150 years (that's about 6 generations of people on the average) to make up. The mechanics of the search are the same as for ancestral search, find a person, collect facts about them, accept them or not as family and then move to the next generation and so on. You may run out of records to search online because of privacy considerations.
In my experience, most folks haven't searched all the US sources before embarking on Norwegian sources. And that's too bad because there is almost always a clue here that gets overlooked in their hurry to make it home to Norway.
Have you searched the descendants of Pernille who you think came to US? Perhaps her descendants kept in contact with Norway relatives even if Oline's didn't.
When Oline died was there an obituary on her mentioning surviving relatives in Norway?
Another strategy which sometimes works is writing to the local newspaper asking for contact. Including pictures of the folks is sometimes helpful as well.
Good Luck,
Jackie M.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 17:25:43
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The two bygdebøker for Åsnes are available at both University of North Dakota and University of Minnesota. An inter-library loan might allow you to follow the descendants that remained in Norway quite a bit closer to today. The first volume was published in 1953 and the second in 1956. Here is the reference from UND.
Åsnesboka, v. 1 1953 DL596.A28 A25 Farms
Åsnesboka, v. 2 1956 DL596.A28 A25 Farms |
Edited by - AntonH on 16/04/2012 22:02:54 |
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bmcnallie
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 22:46:19
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| Thanks for the replies. One of the next things I was thinking of doing was to see if I could find out anything about Pernille here in the US. I have not found anything on Ancestry but will see if I can find some local newspapers. I did find an obituary for Oline and it did have the married names of her daughters of which I could then by way of Ancestry.com and a few emails get to a living 2nd cousin. That was exciting. She had pictures but not much other information. But I was thrilled to find that. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 23:03:16
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Hi,
Here is a link to the leaving record for a Halvor Kristiansen Voldbakken, wife Pernille Torstensdatter and 3 boy children:
Here is a copy of the entry (I removed the link as it seemed not to function:)
18913 Oslo 1708A 1870 Juli 15 Halvor Kristiansen Voldbakken m G Husmand 30 Aasnæs Arena 3557 Norsk Bet. I Amerika Hero
18914 Oslo 1708B 1870 Juli 15 Pernille Torstensdatter f G 26 Aasnæs Arena 3558 Norsk Bet. I Amerika Hero
18915 Oslo 1708C 1870 Juli 15 Martin Torstensdatter m u 4 Aasnæs Arena 3559 Norsk Bet. I Amerika Hero
18916 Oslo 1708D 1870 Juli 15 Kristian m u 2 Aasnæs Arena 3560 Norsk Bet. I Amerika Hero
18917 Oslo 1708E 1870 Juli 15 Theodor m u 1/2 åR Aasnæs Arena 3561 Norsk Bet. I Amerika Hero
Is this why you think Pernille came to US?
Their destination is Arena, probably Arena, Wisconsin. And their passage paid for in America...
Jackie M. |
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jkmarler
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bmcnallie
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 23:35:23
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| jkmarler...yes..about Pernille. I had found that document of Pernille going to US. I think that is the same one. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 16/04/2012 : 23:46:45
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Here is the arrival of Pernille in America. She is travelling with husband, Helan age 30 and three children, Mathia age 4, Chas age 2 and Theodon age 1.
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Pervilla Christenson
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Date of Arrival: 31 Jul 1870
Vessel: Nestorian
Search Ship Database:
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland |
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jkmarler
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bmcnallie
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Posted - 17/04/2012 : 03:40:56
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| You are right...it does not look like the grave you found or the obituary is the correct Pernille. I will try to find more about Pernille in Wisconsin...I know she is here someplace! The birth record for a child of Halvor and Pernille is interesting. |
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Thorstein Pedersen and Elisabet Torrisdatter
