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carl johnson
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Posted - 30/01/2013 :  20:09:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This forum is amazing.
My name is Carl Johnson and I am in my 50's and just now starting to trace back a Norwegian heritage I did not know I have.
My maternal Grandfather was born in Bellingham, Washington USA
I found his Grand parents in the 1865 census but since I cannot read
Norwegian very well, I could not be sure I found the correct
Lars Larsen birth record in 1814 page 47 right side

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_side=47&show=3&uid=88396&urnread_imagesize=gigant&hode=nei&ls=1
and the correct
Ingeborg
Larsdatter in 1831 page 92 #140

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_side=92&show=408&uid=89065&urnread_imagesize=gigant&hode=nei&ls=1

I apologize if the links do not work properly, but the page information
is correct.
I truly would appreciate any help in making sense of this old world
style and language and mostly about the families before or after
these entries
thank you so much!
Carl (Johannson) Johnson

carl johnson

Edited by - carl johnson on 30/01/2013 22:19:33

carl johnson
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Posted - 30/01/2013 :  20:22:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I forgot to add the 1865 census info
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft/person/pf01038235003699

Thanks again
Carl




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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/01/2013 :  20:48:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by carl johnson

This forum is amazing.
My name is Carl Johnson and I am in my 50's and just now starting to trace back a Norwegian heritage I did not know I have.
My maternal Grandfather was born in Bellingham, Washington USA
I found his Grand parents in the 1865 census but since I cannot read
Norwegian very well, I could not be sure I found the correct
Lars Larsen birth record in 1814 page 47 right side

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=48&uid=72881&urnread_imagesize=gigant&hode=nei&ls=1&lc=x%259CK%25B42%25B2%25AA.%25B62%25B4R%25CAT%25B2.%25B62%25B5R2447%25B7%2500%25B1%2581b%25C5J%25D6%2599V%2526%2516%25D6%25B5%2500%25C9%2515%2509%25F7
and the correct
Ingeborg
Larsdatter in 1831 page 92 #140

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?show=93&uid=777492&urnread_imagesize=gigant&hode=nei&ls=1&lc=x%259CK%25B42%25B2%25AA.%25B62%25B4R%25CAT%25B2.%25B62%25B5R24477%2502%25B1%2581b%25C5J%25D6%2599V%2596%25C6%25D6%25B5%2500%25C8%25B4%2509%25F1

I apologize if the links do not work properly, but the page information
is correct.
I truly would appreciate any help in making sense of this old world
style and language and mostly about the families before or after
these entries
thank you so much!
Carl (Johannson) Johnson



These parish register links don't work. The address you need to copy is the permanent page link which can be found at the top of the image page after you selected where you want the image information to appear. Copy and paste the permanent page link. The link that appears in your browser window does not work.

The page information may be correct but there are something like 1100 Norwegian parishes and without knowing the parish name no one would search or be able to help you, unless they looked for a clue in Washington records or take a stab at every Lars Larson b 1814.

The census says he was born in Voss. (that link worked)

Edited by - jkmarler on 30/01/2013 20:51:03
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eibache
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Posted - 30/01/2013 :  20:51:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Widower Lars Larsen, Grane and Ingeborg Larsdatter were married July 3 1856, see record #45.
Ingeborgs father was Lars Torstensen and she was 27 years old.

The link you gave for Ingeborg says her father was Lars Olsen, she is not the one you seek then.

Your Ingeborg is #133 she was born Aug 28 1829, her parents were Lars Thorstensen and Ingebor Tollevsdatter, Tverberg.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 30/01/2013 21:05:17
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carl johnson
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Posted - 30/01/2013 :  21:01:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
thank you eibache

If you have time could you explain the other titles and names listed for this marriage.
I am still learning to decipher old world writing and language.

thanks so much

carl-

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eibache
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Norway
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Posted - 30/01/2013 :  21:17:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This link may be of interest.

For specific words and expressions this could help
Gaardbruger og Selveier = farmer and owner of the farm
hjelper Faderen med Gaardsbr = helps his father with farmwork
hjelper Moderen med Husvæsenet = helps her mother in the house
hans Kone = his wife
deres søn = their son
deres datter = their daughter
prgj (prestegjeld) = parish

for other needs please copy expressions.

Einar

Edited by - eibache on 30/01/2013 21:19:50
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eibache
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Posted - 30/01/2013 :  21:45:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lars Larsens father was said to be Lars Johnsen. The one you seek is next to the last record on left page. He was born Nov 13 1816, baptized Jan 1 1817. His parents were Lars Johnsen and Ingebor Nielsdatter.

Einar
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carl johnson
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Posted - 30/01/2013 :  22:22:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you so much.


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carl johnson
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Posted - 21/02/2013 :  20:48:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I guess I am not very good at following my ancestors names in these records. I looked at the links you gave to me, and I am amazed you were able to make sense of them. Who are those additional names included in Lars Johnsen's birth? http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=11770&idx_id=11770&uid=ny&idx_side=-95
I was unable to find any more information on Lars Johnsen's wife, the mother of Lars Larsen Graue. Nor was I able to follow back on the eldest Lars Larsen or his wife Ingebor Nielsdatter.

I also came to a dead end on the Lars Thorstensen-Ingebor Tolevsdatter, Tverberg parents of Ingeborg Larsdatter born 8/28/1829

I have done well in tracing my Swedish-Danish-Northern German heritage back 5+ generations, but here in Norway I just am stuck.
Any additional help you can give me is appreciated.
Thank You, Carl--

quote:
Originally posted by eibache

Widower Lars Larsen, Grane and Ingeborg Larsdatter were married July 3 1856, see record #45.
Ingeborgs father was Lars Torstensen and she was 27 years old.

The link you gave for Ingeborg says her father was Lars Olsen, she is not the one you seek then.

Your Ingeborg is #133 she was born Aug 28 1829, her parents were Lars Thorstensen and Ingebor Tollevsdatter, Tverberg.



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jkmarler
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Posted - 21/02/2013 :  20:57:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What the additional names are in the baptismal records are faddernes, witnesses or godparents to the child or to the baptism. Who they are might be neighbors, friends, relatives or just folks who happened to be at the church the day the baptism was performed.
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carl johnson
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Posted - 21/02/2013 :  21:02:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is what I thought but I was hoping it might also be parents or grandparents. Do you think these names could help my research or just frustrate them?

carl johnson

Edited by - carl johnson on 21/02/2013 21:17:29
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Kåarto
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Norway
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Posted - 22/02/2013 :  00:16:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by eibache


Your Ingeborg is #133 she was born Aug 28 1829, her parents were Lars Thorstensen and Ingebor Tollevsdatter, Tverberg.



Lars Thorstenen Tverberg was born 1795, parents;
Thorstein Larsen Tverberg 1746-1798 and Martha Brynjulvsdatter d. 1823, they married 1795 and recievd deed from his father on Tverberg the same year.
Lars Thorstensen 1795 changed Tverberg in 1832 with Samson Persen against Mæaringi where they settled down

Thorstein Larsen Tverberg was son of;
Lars Thorstensen Tverberg 1746-98 (he died on the same day as his son Lars) and Gjertrud Olavsdatter Graue/Grauo and recievd deed on Tverberg in 1765 and -69. She married again 1801 to widower Per Oddsen Skår d. 1809 age 75. The probate after Lars Thorstensen had a value on 670 Daler.

Lars Thorstensen 1746 was son of;
Thorstein Olsen Tverberg 1716-1764 and Thorbjørg Ivarsdatter Bjørku d. 1750, they married 1745.

Thorstein Olsen was son of;
Ole Thorstensen, leaseholder on Tverberg 1722, he bought Tverberg from Clas Miltzow 1723 and recieved deed of the property from Lt. Jens Nordahl 1724. Ole Thorstensen married Guri Arvesdatter, d. 1763 at age 83, Ole died 1749 at age 87.

His grandfather Ole Andersen was leasholder on Tverberg 1695

Source; Vossaboki volume 3. p. 470-73
Parts of Vossaboki is online, I can post it here tomorrow if you want, includes a photo of Tverberg, with an expolonation, the book is on Vossa dialect so she can be diff. to translate to English even with a translater.

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 22/02/2013 09:27:39
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carl johnson
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Posted - 22/02/2013 :  17:01:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you so much-

truly a blessing what you have found for my family.

Also please, yes, post all the info and photos you are able to pass along.

You have given me alot of information to go through until tomorrow.

Again, thank you so much

Carl

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Kåarto
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Posted - 22/02/2013 :  18:10:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You are welcome.
Vossaboki online by Stefan Ullstad
Enter volume 3, in alphabetical order enter Tverberg, the photo is from 1936.
Tverberg is first mentioned 1611 as Tuerberg.
Tver- means across and -berg a small mountain or rock, a mountain/rock that lies across.

Kåre
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Kåarto
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Posted - 22/02/2013 :  18:37:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On the same page in volume 3 you will find Mæringi, includes a photo, that Lars Thorstensen Tverberg changed with Samson Persen in 1832, spelled Mæringen 1723.
The origin of the name is unknown,
Mære; border between farms
Mærdi, fish trap
Mærr, grand and great.

Lars Thorstensen was married 3 times, 2. times as widower;
1816 with Ingeborg Tollevsdatter/Thorleivsdatter Grauo, 1859 to widow Ranveig Olavsdatter from Tungeteigen and in 1869 to Brita Thorbjørnsdatter Rene

Kåre

Edited by - Kåarto on 22/02/2013 18:49:59
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carl johnson
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Posted - 22/02/2013 :  19:47:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
wonderful, Thank you.
one thing that is confusing for me is "Lars Thorstensen changed with
Samson Persen in 1832" What does "changed" mean? Does it mean purchaced?

Thank you again

Carl

quote:
Originally posted by Kåarto

On the same page in volume 3 you will find Mæringi, includes a photo, that Lars Thorstensen Tverberg changed with Samson Persen in 1832, spelled Mæringen 1723.
The origin of the name is unknown,
Mære; border between farms
Mærdi, fish trap
Mærr, grand and great.

Lars Thorstensen was married 3 times, 2. times as widower;
1816 with Ingeborg Tollevsdatter/Thorleivsdatter Grauo, 1859 to widow Ranveig Olavsdatter from Tungeteigen and in 1869 to Brita Thorbjørnsdatter Rene

Kåre


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