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robertolson
New on board
USA
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 Posted - 26/07/2013 : 22:18:29
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| i'm trying to find info on my gr,gr, grandfather. he was born in Stavenger(i think) on Nov 11, 1835. He married Sophia Danielson(of Stavenger), born June 17, 1841. I can't find any Sorens on the passenger lists that match his age. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Tks |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 03:43:34
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If this is your guy in the 1900 census, it says that he was born in 1835 and came to US in 1836. If that is so he had to come with his parents:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MS49-7HN
In the first volume of Norwegian Immigrants to the United States:a Biographical Directory, 1825-1850, Volume One 1825-1843, there are 3 Søren Olsen listings:
1. Søren Olsen b about 1831?
2. Søren Olsen Midbø b1813
3. Søren Olsen Sørum b 1823
1. is the likeliest match to your biographical information (and within the +/- 5 years rule of thumb.) He came on a ship called Enigheden which arrived at New York from Stavanger on 14 Sept 1837.
With him were his parents Ole Pederson b. 1804?, Anne Baarsdatter b. 1806?, and 2 siblings Alethe Olsdatter b. 1834? and Rachel Olsdatter b. 1846?
No further information is given for this family but a number of the other shipmates settled in LaSalle County, Illinois amongst other places.
There are 2 sources listed for the passenger list of this ship:
Utvandrer fra Rogaland and "Four Immigrant Shiploads of 1836 and 1837 by Henry Cadbury.
Also a transcription of the passenger list is found here at norway heritage with a different interpretation of Ole's patronymic as Reierson, occupation of carpenter, from Stavanger. #s 78-82:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=544
The Enigheden Søren is baptism #214:
Source information: Rogaland county, Domkirken in Stavanger, Parish register (official) nr. A 9 (1821-1832), Birth and baptism records 1831, page 127.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15879&idx_id=15879&uid=ny&idx_side=-129
Here is this family in the 1850 census transcription. Interesting that they are in Missouri:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=88&filnamn=US1850&gardpostnr=10916#nedre
If the research at this memorial at findagrave is correct then the Enigheden Soren could be eliminated:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=55140199 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 27/07/2013 08:47:58 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 04:35:04
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Where did the date of birth you gave for Soren come from?
The closest Søren baptism in Stavanger I see to that date is this one #5 b 13 Nov 1835:
Source information: Rogaland county, Domkirken in Stavanger, Parish register (official) nr. A 11 (1832-1856), Birth and baptism records 1835, no page no.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=15880&idx_id=15880&uid=ny&idx_side=-47
However he is not an Olsen. His father is named Østen so he would be an Østenson.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 16:35:28
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On bottom of this page there is information on these, the dates of born for both vary slightly.
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 27/07/2013 16:43:04 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 17:40:55
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This topic tells that Sofie was born on farm Wallum and bap. Sofie Thoresdatter (Danielsen) in Årdal which is not fare drom Stavanger.
Sofie married Søren Olsen Dec. 21. 1857.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 27/07/2013 18:15:11 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 17:42:20
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From Ancestry.com.
U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s
Name: Soren Oelsen
Year: 1837
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Place: New York, New York
Source Publication Code: 9144
Primary Immigrant: Oelsen, Soren
Annotation: Covers 27,500 immigrants from the years 1618-1878, with excellent index. Similar lists are in Boyer, nos. 0702, 0714, 0717, and 0720.
Source Bibliography: TEPPER, MICHAEL, editor. New World Immigrants: A Consolidation of Ship Passenger Lists and Associated Data from Periodical Literature. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1979. 568p. and 602p. Repr. 1980. Vol. 2.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 17:45:55
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Same information, different publication. Also from Ancestry.com.
U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s
Name: Soren Oelsen
Year: 1837
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Place: New York, New York
Source Publication Code: 1056
Primary Immigrant: Oelsen, Soren
Annotation: From U.S. National Archives, data on 342 passengers of the Norden, den Norske Klippe, Aegir and Enigheden, New York. Names, ages, gender, and occupations. Also in no. 9144, Tepper, New World Immigrants, vol. 2, pp. 384-416.
Source Bibliography: CADBURY, HENRY J. Four Immigrant Shiploads of 1836 and 1837. In The Norwegian-American Historical Association Studies and Records, vol. 2 (1927), pp. 20-52.
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 19:51:35
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I believe Søren Olsen, Imbs is the one born Sept 8 and baptized Sept 15 1833, see #34.
His parents were Ole Olsen and Anna Tørrisdatter, Imbs.
(BTW - Imbs (Ims) is a farm in Høle)
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Edited by - eibache on 27/07/2013 22:30:58 |
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rkolson
Junior member
USA
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 21:27:25
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| you people are simply terrific, tks for taking the time. my only birth info is from his gravestone. the posting from Kaarto(which which fits him perfectly) shows a birth date of dec 18, 1835 which seems to confirm it. the 1920 census shows immig year as 1836. so i'm still confused about baptism records and shipping records?? |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 22:02:57
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How do you see confirmation with two different listed birthdates? The original poster, 'robertolson', was looking for a match for a birthdate of 11 Nov 1835. The narrative linked by Kåarto refers to a birthdate of 18 Dec 1835.
What is your confusion about baptism records? The man in the linked narrative is shown as being a Latter-Day Saint -- they have quite different baptisms than did the Norwegian Lutherans.
Shipping records? Do you mean emigration records? |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 22:08:55
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This data fits the Soren Olson found in the 1900 US Census by Jackie. Father fits the Soren Olsen found by Einar but the birth date does not.
Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947
Name: Soren Olson
Birth Date: 9 Dec 1835
Birth Place: Norway
Death Date: 24 Jul 1920
Death Place: Broughton, Livingston, Illinois
Burial Date: 26 Jul 1920
Death Age: 84
Occupation: Retired Farmer
Race: White
Marital Status: W
Gender: Male
Father Name: Olie Olson
Father Birth Place: Norway
Mother Birth Place: Norway
FHL Film Number: 1570224 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 22:12:54
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Information on the Soren Olsen member of the LDS Church.
Early Members of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
Name: Soren Olsen
Birth Date: Dec 1835
Birth Place: Stavanger, Norway
Marriage Date: 21 Dec 1857
Death Date: Jul 1920
Death Place: Kempton, Illinois
Burial Place: Broughton, Illinois
Cemetery: Broughton Township Cemetery
Spouse: Sophia Danielson
Source: Saints' Herald Obituaries, August 1920, p. 830/ RLDS Deceased Files/ Broughton, Illinois, RLDS Branch Records/ Early Reorganization Minutes, 1872-1905, Book E
Notes: Soren Olsen emigrated from Norway to America with his parents when he was six months old. He resided at Kempton, Illinois, for 37 years. Soren was baptized a member of the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints on 16 July 1866 at Mission, LaSalle, Illinois, by Thomas Hougas. He was confirmed by Andrew Hayer and Thomas Hougas. He attended the Broughton, Illinois Branch. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 23:18:50
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From the emigrant listing for 1836 it looks like Søren b. Dec 09 1835 had the following siblings:
Elen Sofie, b. July 9 1821,
Ola, b. April 24 1824,
Malena, b. March 31 1827,
Johannes, b. April 25 1830, and
Berta Serina, b. Dec 30 1832.
Parents not listed with the children, but members of the family are listed as 8.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 23:27:04
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Em. record for dep. port Stavanger; Søren Olsen b. Sept. 8. 1833 em. from Høle, Høgsfjord, dep. Stavanger 1857 link
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Edited by - Kåarto on 27/07/2013 23:30:13 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/07/2013 : 23:58:10
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Here is Søren Olsen Imbs b 1833 leaving Høle in 1857, third from the top Udflyttede (right page) section:
Source information: Rogaland county, Høle in Høgsfjord, Parish register (official) nr. A 2 (1855-1885), Migration records 1855-1860, page 337.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6278&idx_id=6278&uid=ny&idx_side=-328
So obviously if the emigration date on the 1900 Soren Olson is correct and the year is 1836, Soren Olson Imbs is unlikely to be the same person as the 1900 Soren Olson, coming over 20 years later.
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