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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 06/08/2013 : 21:05:14
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The world is small, Garfield and Tillie Gilbertson were next door neighbors to my paternal grandparents in Velva, N.D. And George & Caroline are buried in the same cemetery as my maternal grandparents.
This is abstracted from the 1985 history called McHenry County: Its History and Its People, page 400:
There were a total of 5 children in George and Caroline (Amundsen) Gilbertson family. Clarence was mentioned. He was in the CCC in the 1930s and was working at Stanley, N.D. in the Red Owl store, at the time of his death. He was in a fatal car accident on or about Mother's day in 1939 The other child in the family was a daughter named Myrtle who was born 1918 and died 1919. The sister Elma (Mrs. Lloyd Zimmerman) was a resident of Hiawatha, Kansas in 1985. Caroline and George married 1906 in Minot, N.D. |
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arnebraat
Junior member
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 21:06:13
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Thank you, Jan Peter. I have also tried white pages and found a Donald L Zimmerman in Chippewa Falls/ Eau Claire in WI. Now I will try to get in contact with these two.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 21:16:27
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The one in Kansas should be the right one.
This could be Sharon, although city says Horton, which is 20 mins south of Hiawatha.
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arnebraat
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 21:18:26
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I'm sorry, JaneC. My english is not always adecuate. My intension was to express some doubt with aditional information and was not meant as a judgement. Now I think jkmarler has provided new information about Clarence.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 21:28:02
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Originally posted by arnebraat
Thank you very much! It could be, but this guy has Hans and Julia as parents. Even if some records are inaccurate, I don't think that could be an error writing for George and Lena or Lina. I havn't searched for George Gilbertson's origin, but he entered the US from Norway 1 year old in 1881. He was porbably a Jørgen Gulbrandsen before the family emigrated.
Arne
The McHenry county history mentioned earlier also says that George was born in Kongsvinger in 1880 and came with his parents when he was 1 year old. He came from "Bonnelly, Minnesota" to McHenry county in 1903 and took a homestead in section 1 of Lebanon Township. It says George died in Minot in 1947 and Caroline died in Minot in 1954. George and Caroline were "charter members" of Bethel Lutheran.
Not sure about the town name in Minnesota. There is a Donnelly Minnesota but I'm not so sure about Bonelly. |
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arnebraat
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 21:34:56
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Jan Peter, thank you very much! I think you are right. In the memorial from Find a Grave, "step son, Jay and Libby Zimmerman of Denver" is mentioned. When I serach for Donald Zimmerman in Hiawatha on the Spokeo website, a Libby Zimmerman is listed in the household.
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jwiborg
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 21:59:08
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Jay Zimmerman is the Symposium Series Director of this site.
Libby and Jay's email can be found here.
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arnebraat
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 23:35:49
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Yes, Peter Amundson is buried in Bethel cemetery as well with these dates b.1869 d. 1952.
No story about Peter in the history book. McHenry county is a very rural county. Did Peter take a homestead?
Here is the information on him in the North Dakota Public death index/ Dates here are written American style Month first, day, then year:
AMUNDSON, PETER 04/13/1953 McHenry MALE 83 Years 08/10/1869 North Dakota McHenry |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/08/2013 : 00:19:42
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Possibly?
#98 Georg
Born 03 Apr 1880
Christening 16 May 1880, Vinger, Hedmark
Parents: Gunnerius Gudbrandsen & Berthea Gulliksdr
Source: Hedmark county, Vinger, Parish register (official) nr. 12 (1871-1880), Birth and baptism records 1880, page 166.
Georg and his mother emigrated to Muskegon, Michigan on 01 Oct 1880
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arnebraat
Junior member
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Posted - 07/08/2013 : 00:23:13
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Jan Peter, thank you very much for helping! This is very exciting for me. Now I'll try to contact Jay and tell the story about the family and how I got inspired to begin this search.
jkmarler, I don't know if Peter took a homestead. I have some information from the 1950's about him owning a farm, but I don't know if it is correct. He probably had his own farm. In the census of 1940 his is listed on his own farm, but he is "laborer" Link: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-27894-10820-97?cc=2000219&wc=M9Q8-LJQ:118970075.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/08/2013 : 01:33:59
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Peter Amundson had 216 acres in Section 12 of Lebanon Township ( T 153 N, R79 W) of McHenry County in the 1952 McHenry County atlas. The map also does not show a domicile on his property.
The directory portion of the atlas says Peter had only 56 acres and that he lived in Velva rather than on the farm.
Here is the findagrave memorial for Peter Amundson. His death date is 1953 (transcription quoted earlier is incorrect).
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=amundson&GSfn=peter&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=7916707&df=all&
Its likely if an obituary was published on Peter, it would have been printed in the Velva Journal. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 07/08/2013 : 01:56:27
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In 1895 George and family lived in Grant County MN which is just above Stevens County where Donnelly is located. At that time there were six children. George was born in Norway, the next child age 12 was born in Michigan and the 4 others were born in Minnesota.
Father is listed as Gobert and mother as Bertha.
Minnesota, Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
Name: George Gilbertson
Age: 15
Census Date: 1895
County: Grant
Locality: Roseville
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Race: White
Line: 4
Roll: V290_61
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arnebraat
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Posted - 07/08/2013 : 12:23:24
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Thank you very much all of you for helping. I'm not so used to forums like Norway Heritage, and for my own overwiew I make one reply instead of a reply to each of you. Now I have tried to digest the new information, and then new questions are emerging.
Jane C: I think this is the memorial for the right Clarence because both parents, Caroline and George, and his uncle Peter are all buried in the same cemetary.
Jan Peter: Georg could be George Gilbertson. In the church record in Norway which you linked to, it says that he is born "in marriage". Now I wonder if the father went earlier to the US, and when the mother traveled alone with the son later, it was easier to use the same familyname for the boy as her own - Gulliksen. Gilbertson I guessed could have been Gulbrandsen or Gudbrandsen in Norway. To find the roots for this family could also be interesting for any descendant og George and Caroline when I get in contact.
lyndal40: In Norway George's father was Gunnerius. That would probably be difficult in the US. Do you know if Gobert is a common name, at least among immigrants?
jkmarler: I have started a drafting of the history of Peter and Caroline, and here is som of the text:
"After my mother died in May this year, we cleaned the house and then we found these three pictures from America. This was an inspiration to make an effort to find descendants of these two that went to the United States from a poor Norway. From 1825 until about 1930 perhaps as many as 900 000 emigrated from Norway to the United States, and many had the same name. Therefore, it was a challenge to start searching for Petter and Karoline.
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"Many years ago I copied a somewhat incomplete message from the United States which came about in 1954. Grandpa knew a man named Olaf Stømner near Kongsvinger. The message was from a Carl Berg in the U.S. and the meaning was that "Lina (Karoline) died 1954-01-19 and was buried 1954-01-21. Petter had a lot of money, but Lina's son Garfeld, married to a Fargo ..." The rest is missing, but I remember it was about Garfield inherited Petter"
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"Karoline traveled by steamship SS Hekla from Christianina 1904-06-01 and disembarked at Ellis Island 1904-06-26. The immigrant list says that the travel is paid for by a brother (probably Petter), and that the final goal of the trip is "Cousin R. Amundsen" in Herman, Minnesota. This annotation made me wonder what cousin this could be. The surname Amundsen says that this should be a man, for by this time almost everyone had their surname derived from the father's first name with the suffix -sen for boys and -datter (daughter) for girls (patronymic). But it might be a woman. Karoline in Norway would have used the name Amundsdaughter, but has adapted the surname to the American naming practices when she registered as an immigrant to the United States. Then she wrote her name Karoline Amundsen. Who was this cousin? "Cousin" in English covers both genders."
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As you see there are more "actors" in this "play" I think I have found the cousin R. Amundsen in several US cencuses with husband and children in Herman, Minnesota. This could be the next quest. But I still wonder who this Carl Berg was. Maybe a relative of George from the Kongsvinger district.
If you are interested, I could email my drafted synopsis. Then you could see if there is something more to add. I have already got valuable information for some amendments.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/08/2013 : 13:15:29
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Yes, Gunnerius Gudbrandsen must have emigrated to Muskegon, Michigan in spring of 1880. In America he was known as Gilbert Gilbertson. lyndal40 have the correct person in 1895. "Gobert" is just a bad transcription of Gilbert.
The family must have moved from Wisconsin to Minnesota in 1883/1884.
Census-1885, Roseville, Grant, MN. (George listed as "Erik")
Census-1895, Roseville, Grant, MN.
Census-1900, Roseville, Grant, MN.
Gilbert Gilbertson ("Gunnerius Gudbrandsen") died 18 Mar 1901, Roseville, Grant, Minnesota
Census-1900 says he is born October 1853, and the death-record says his parents was Gilbrand and Bertha.
Gunnerius Gulbrandsen
Born: 07 Oct 1853
Christening: 06 Nov 1853, Vinger, Hedmark, Norway
Parents: Gulbrand Embretsen & Berthea Johannesdatter
Census-1875, Vinger, Hedmark.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 07/08/2013 14:01:56 |
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Try to find descendants of Lena Gilbertson, ND
