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BethanyJohannsen
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 Posted - 14/02/2014 : 15:01:14
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| I am looking to find more information about my great great grandfather who emigrated from Norway. His death certificate from Louisiana says his name was John Johannsen, but I do not know that he was named John at birth in Norway. He was born about 1830 Norway and died in Louisiana on Aug. 23, 1882. Unfortunately I do not know what year he arrived in the USA, or even which port. I do not know who he married except for census records that say she was from Germany. I know a little more about his son, my great grandfather, John/Jurgen Johannsen who was born and lived his whole life in New Orleans, Louisiana, and married Emma Wiegel. I would really love to find out which part of Norway he was from! Thanks to anyone who might be related and has any information. |
Researching my Norwegian ancestors... |
Edited by - BethanyJohannsen on 14/02/2014 15:05:51 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/02/2014 : 16:14:32
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| Just curious, where did the specific death date for your gg grandfather come from? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/02/2014 : 17:07:30
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Here are the John ______ (any last name) born 1825 -1840 Norway living in Louisiana 1880 census per familysearch:
Name Events Relationships Preview
John J. Gragard Head birth: 1840 Norway
residence: 1880 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States
spouse: E. Gragard
children: Helena Gargard, Nettie Gragard, George Gragard, J. J. Gragard
other: Nancy Pitts
John Meyers Head birth: 1829 Norway
residence: 1880 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States
spouse: Federos Meyers
child: Teress Meyers
other: Robert Boody, Katty Boody
John Nelson birth: 1840 Norway
residence: 1880 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States
other: Thomas Buckley, Harriet Buckley, Marguerette Buckley, Mary Buckley, Katharine Buckley, Terence Smith...
John Nelson Head birth: 1835 Norway
residence: 1880 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States
spouse: Louisa Nelson
children: Julia Nelson, Henrietta Nelson, Louisa Nelson, Emily Nelson, Louis Nelson, George Nelson
Link to transcription:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MDX7-D2B
Jno. Florine birth: 1830 Norway
residence: 1880 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States
other: Marey Lyons
Jhn. J. Gragard Head birth: 1840 Norway
residence: 1880 New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana, United States
spouse: M.K. Gragard
children: Helena Gragard, Nettie Gragard, George Gragard, John Gragard
other: Nancy Pitts
John Gragard is listed twice. There was a family of Grogard who settled in Texas (I see the wife is listed as born in Texas) and perhaps he is part of that group. He also has a son whose initials are J J./ John.
John Meyers has a niece and nephew living with him whose father was also born in Norway, raising interesting possibilities of farm name to find in Norway.
John Nelson's, one b abt 1835, wife Louisa was born in Germany and they have a 17 year old son named George (which is often an adaptation in America of the name Jørgen / Jurgen).
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/02/2014 : 17:23:52
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Very likely, many thanks for assist on that.
John Nelson's, from the list above, wife Louisa was born in Germany and they have a 17 year old son named George (which is often an adaptation in America of the name Jørgen / Jurgen). |
Edited by - jkmarler on 14/02/2014 17:27:06 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/02/2014 : 17:34:52
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New Orleans, Louisiana Birth Records Index, 1790-1899
Name: Louis Frederick Nelson
Birth Date: 1 Jul 1870
Birth Place: New Orleans, Louisiana
Gender: Male
Father's Name: John Nelson
Mother's name: Maria Louise Williamina |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 14/02/2014 : 17:41:54
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All the children in the family were born in Louisiana, the eldest was daughter Julia age 19 so about 1861.
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self John Nelson M 45 Norway
Wife Louisa Nelson F 46 Germany
Daughter Julia Nelson F 19 Louisiana, United States
Daughter Henrietta Nelson F 15 Louisiana, United States
Daughter Louisa Nelson F 12 Louisiana, United States
Daughter Emily Nelson F 10 Louisiana, United States
Son Louis Nelson M 9 Louisiana, United States
Son George Nelson M 17 Louisiana, United
This couple also married in Louisiana in 1859:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F4HT-8BC
The couple in the 1860 census, also in New Orleans, she with a birthplace as Hanora Gmy (Germany):
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MFPH-MYZ
In the actual 1880 census schedule Louisa is given a birthplace of Wurtemberg, as is her father and her mother's birthplace as Berlin. Even though George's age is written and transcribed as 17 I wonder if it is actually 7 due to the arrangement of the rest of the children from eldest to youngest? Haven't found the family in the 1870 census which would tell all. George is age 7 in the 1870 census (so hope gone a glimmering), father is ascribed incorrectly birthplace of Austria:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M87Z-VYJ
Rather peculiarly the maiden name of Louise (Mary Louisa Wilhelmina) Nelson is given in the marriage record transcription as "Angle" and Emma Weigel's mother's maiden name is given as "Engel." Wonder if there is some connection there?
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/02/2014 : 18:36:04
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Would you please post your records for your great-grandfather John/Jurgen Johannsen? Although you are not asking for help finding out about him, information about him leads to his father and might hold clues that one person didn't spot, but another person might.
Of particular interest are any documents you've accumulated (family archives or public records) not readily available online.
According to Find-a-Grave, the father is buried as Johanessen. Same source 23 August is a burial date.
Do you have a copy of John senior's original death record Bethany? Or were you informally referring to something else?
According to Find-a-Grave, John Johanessen died age 52 and was buried on 23 August 1882.
Source Cemetery Records
Greenwood Cemetery, New Orleans, Orleans Parish, Louisiana
Name on Plot: Budinich
from Find-a-Grave, it's not clear why John Johanessen should be noted as buried in "Budinich" plot. (Maybe that's a section of cemetery donated by Budinich family - rather than a given family's plot? not clear)
Also in the "Budinich plot" are Rosa and Matteo Budinich.
Wondering what is your source that John Johanessen came from Norway? is that from the census records for his son? also from his death record? Other sources? (family story, etc)
I'm curious how you identified the John Johanessen who was buried 23 August 1882 as being the father of "your" John/Jurgen?
Have you inquired at the cemetery to ask who else is buried with/near him?
There are Wiegels and Weigels buried at Greenwood as well. |
Edited by - JaneC on 22/02/2014 02:10:41 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 14/02/2014 : 18:49:12
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I think this is Bethanny's family from the 1920 census since the last name is spelled Johannsen and the head of the household's mother was born in Germany:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MV76-1SB
Eldest child still at home is John Johannsen jr aged 24 so born about 1896 in Louisiana. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 14/02/2014 : 19:42:08
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Births
30 Nov 1895 birth, John Johannsen, father Jurgen, mother Emma Wiegel
10 Sep 1897 birth, Carrie Anna Johansen, father John, mother Emma Weigel
14 Sep 1899 Laura Augusta Johansen, father John, mother Emma Weigel
http://files.usgwarchives.net/la/orleans/vitals/births/index/nobijojz.txt
SOURCE New Orleans Volunteer Association (NOVA) index of births at Louisiana Archives, Baton Rouge
Bethany - since John/Jurgen has named a son after his father, maybe he has named a daughter after his mother. Traditionally a Norwegian man would name his first born son and first born daughter after his parents.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 14/02/2014 : 21:40:24
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Here is a link to the search engine for the Louisiana genweb archives mentioned by Jane:
http://www.usgwarchives.net/search/search.cgi/searchla.htm
In it I found John Gragard (the elder) and John J. Gragard (the younger) in the death records. The sr. died in 1899 and the jr. died in 1914 so cannot really be the person Bethany seeks.
Did find one other possible in the 1880 Louisiana, Caddo county census at HeritageQuest:
John Johnson age 29 born Norway occupation machinist
wife Ella age 18 born Ga (Georgia)
son John b. Oct 1879 Louisiana
The family was also in the HQ 1900 census, Louisiana, Caddo county
John Johnson was born July 1850, came to US in 1869, married 22 years
Ella born Georgia (sorry didn't take the dates) married 22years; 10 children born 4 are living (of which I only copied the son John)
John J Johnson b. Oct 1889 age 11 Louisiana
So it appears the first son John may have died and another son was born later and named the same or there is some sort of kerfuffle in the census records, or there were 2 sons named John and the elder of the two is out of the house in 1900.
Math challenged--4 children named with the family in 1900 so unlikely the Oct 1879 John survived.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/02/2014 : 23:33:25
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Yes there does appear to be two sons, First one born Jul 1879 and found in the 1880 Census, and second John Lee Johnson born July 1889. Here is the Ancestry version of the 1900 Census. . Now we probably need to have the original poster confirm that we are looking at her family, since this family is found in Shreverport not New Orleans and mother Ella was born in Georgia not Germany.
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: John L Johnson
Age: 11
Birth Date: Oct 1889
Birthplace: Louisiana
Home in 1900: Shreveport Ward 6, Caddo, Louisiana
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: John Johnson
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's name: Ella Johnson
Mother's Birthplace: Georgia
Occupation:
Household Members:
Name Age
John Johnson 49
Ella Johnson 37
John L Johnson 11
Carrie Johnson 5
Henry Johnson 7
Allie A Johnson 2 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/02/2014 : 23:40:20
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However just to confuse things even further here is the WWI draft record which shows a John Lee Johnson born in 15 Oct 1879, not 1889. Shreveport is in Caddo Parish.
U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: John Lee Johnson
County: Caddo
State: Louisiana
Birth Date: 15 Oct 1879
Race: White
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/02/2014 : 23:48:22
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| So maybe the 1900 census is in error. Does the card say he's married or not? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 14/02/2014 : 23:51:51
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This is probably premature but searching the passenger database for first name jo; last name jo, arriving in / sailing in 1869 finds 24 and here is one who is age 19, Johan Kjos (traveling with Maren Kjose age 45 lately of Skien):
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1146&ps=50284
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 14/02/2014 : 23:58:50
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Also this family can be found on Ancestry.com Family Tree and based on that data I doubt that we have the right family. Here is the findagrave record for the patriarch of this family
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=JOHN&GSfn=J&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=20&GScntry=4&GSsr=721&GRid=57357307&
Father
John Lilleby Johnson
Birth 30 Jul 1850 in Skatval, Nedre Stjordalen, Norway
Death 20 Dec 1932 in Shreveport, Bossier, Louisiana, United States
Mother
Ella Annie Augusta Green
Birth 30 Nov 1862 in Augusta, Columbia, Georgia, United States
Death 2 Mar 1914 in Shreveport, Bossier, Louisiana, United States
John Lee Nathaniel Johnson
Birth Oct 15, 1879 in Shreveport, Caddo, Louisiana
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