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ellenlarsen325
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 Posted - 20/05/2014 : 16:34:00
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Ok, so I've gotten some help on him before. However, after double checking dates on the information provided I've found staggering inaccuracies. For example, Erik was born in 1808 yet someone had "found" him in the 1801 census. So, I ask again for some assistance finding information on Erik Larsen. The information I have is:
Birth: 24 Dec, 1808 Tromso, Norway
Baptism: 9 Mar, 1809 same place
Marriage: 16 May 1857 Troms, Norway
Death: 1871 Tromso, Norway
His parents names are Lars Erichsen and Margarethe Andersdatter.
His spouse is Johanne Margrethe Christiansdatter. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/05/2014 : 17:00:21
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#189 Erich Larsen
Born: Dec 1808 (11 weeks old)
Christening: 05 Mar 1809, Tromsø, Troms, Norway
Parents: Lars Erichsen & Margarethe Andersdr, Løgvig
Source: Troms county, Tromsø, Parish register (official) nr. 6 (1806-1821), Birth and baptism records 1809, page 182-183. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 20/05/2014 17:01:26 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 20/05/2014 : 17:19:14
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Originally posted by ellenlarsen325
Ok, so I've gotten some help on him before. However, after double checking dates on the information provided I've found staggering inaccuracies. For example, Erik was born in 1808 yet someone had "found" him in the 1801 census.
Not quite and not on this site. This is copied / pasted from one your other topics on Erik.
"Erik Larsen was born 1809, baptized 11 weeks old on March 5, see No 189
Kildeinformasjon: Troms fylke, Tromsø, Ministerialbok nr. 6 (1806-1821), Fødte og døpte 1809, side 182-183.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9701&idx_id=9701&uid=ny&idx_side=-30.
His parents were Lars Erichsen and Margarethe Andersdatter, Løvig.
Eriks parents and siblings in 1801
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=f18011902&gardpostnr=84&personpostnr=2692&merk=2692#ovre." |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/05/2014 : 17:31:32
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You can search the Ancestry.com data base for births in Norway. While probably not totally complete, the only person that fits your description is the person found by Jan Peter and Jackie. Here is the Ancestry.com record.
Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 about Erich Larsen
Name: Erich Larsen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: des 1808 (Dec 1808)
Baptism Date: 5 mar 1809
Baptism Place: , Tromso, Troms, Norway
Father: Lars Erichsen
Mother: Margarethe Andersdr
FHL Film Number: 127178 |
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ellenlarsen325
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Hopkins
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/05/2014 : 22:06:03
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Here is the one in the census:
Eric Larsen
Christening: 11 May 1788 (Pinsedag/Pentecost 1788), Tromsø, Troms, Norway
Father: Lars Ericsen, Lokvijen
Source: Troms county, Tromsø, Parish register (official) nr. 3 (1779-1796), Birth and baptism records 1788, page 40.
The Eric Larsen baptised May 1788 and the Eric Larsen baptised March 1809 are born on the same farm, and their father have the same name. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 21/05/2014 : 00:10:53
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Originally posted by ellenlarsen325
This would have made his mother 45 at the time of Erik's birth and his father 48. Not to mention the family has a child named Eric already who is 14. If the conclusion is that these are his siblings and parents as a result of this information then it is false as he was born in 1808.
Eriks parents and siblings in 1801
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=6&filnamn=f18011902&gardpostnr=84&personpostnr=2692&merk=2692#ovre."
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The post didn't claim that your Erik was in the 1801 census as you claimed when you started this-- your 3rd topic--on Erik Larsen.
You have the same opportunity as anyone else to check the truth by going through the baptismal registers of Tromsø to find a better candidate Erik. I'll put in the link to the registers to assist your search:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_id=9701
Each of your topics on Erik started with the same basic information b. 1808, etc. Where did you get that initial information? |
Edited by - jkmarler on 21/05/2014 00:13:57 |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2014 : 01:11:27
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Ellen - You can study how to do the searches of the church records yourself.
The Digitalarkivet web site has been adding scanned images of the original Norwegian parish church records for anyone with Internet access since November 2005.
The Digitalarkivet web site - http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebFront.exe?slag=vis&tekst=meldingar
An English option is available by clicking on that word from either the left hand column or the blue link bar along the bottom of the homepage.
A newer homepage has been put up at (http://arkivverket.no/digitalarkivet) and the same resources are available there and an English option is clickable up near the upper right of that screen. The older entry point is still operational until toward the end of 2014 and I will continue to describe only the older entry as that is the one I personally prefer (and I'm too lazy to rewrite my instructions today).
The scanned images are available from the homepage link "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] which is listed along the left hand column and from the blue banner of links along the top section of the homepage.
Clicking on "Skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Digitised parish records" [English version] will bring up another screen and listing to choose from. Choose "Lesa skanna kyrkjebøker" [Norwegian version]/"Read the digitised parish records" [English version].
After you've clicked on that link and a new main page has presented on the screen be sure and read the instructions that are available from the Digitalarkivet for navigating the scanned records. The instructions are available in Bokmål (official Norwegian), Nyorsk (Norwegian), Davvisámegiella (Saami), and English.
Recommended basic reading are the "Startsiden" [Norwegian version]/"Main page" [English version], "Brukerveiledning" [Norwegian version]/"User's guide" [English version] and "Om tjenesten" [Norwegian version]/"About this service" [English version].
Good information about translating the formats of Norwegian parish church records during various time periods, many of the basic terms used and understanding how to use the information should be studied at this web site -
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/na20.html
For the protection of privacy, there are limits for how recent church records can be published:
- Birth and baptism records up to and including 1929
- Confirmation records up to and including 1934
- Marriage and banns records - no limits
- Civil marriage up to and including 1950
- Death, burial and stillbirth records up to and including 1930
- Migration records - no limits
- Joins and leavings of the State Church up to and including 1950
- Records about dissenters up to and including 1950
If you cross these limits while browsing a register or a list, you will not see the digitised image, but a message informing you that the image cannot be displayed.
Not all church records up to those limits will necessarily be available in the online digitized collection or in the microfilm collection of the LDS Family History Library. Those MIGHT be available at the appropriate archives of the Norwegian Lutheran Church iin Norway.
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ellenlarsen325
Starting member
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Posted - 21/05/2014 : 15:10:49
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| I apologize for any toes that have been stepped upon. I just do not find it entirely plausible that his mother would still be bearing children at that age, keeping the consideration that it is 1808 and all. All information I have on Erik is based upon marriage records, death and birth records as well as family documents. |
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Hopkins
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3351 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2014 : 15:40:42
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 21/05/2014 : 16:48:46
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Originally posted by ellenlarsen325
I apologize for any toes that have been stepped upon. I just do not find it entirely plausible that his mother would still be bearing children at that age, keeping the consideration that it is 1808 and all. All information I have on Erik is based upon marriage records, death and birth records as well as family documents.
My point was not personal outrage--I hadn't even posted the original post which you miscontrued. But your words do exercise me: "staggering inaccuracies" and "false" are what you wrote. Often we disagree on site but seldom to we need to stoop to pejoratives like that to make the point. Since you have been benefiting from the charitability of this site since at least 2012 I'd think you'd be a bit more charitable yourself!
Now you have gone on to make another assumption this one about the length of a woman's fertility in the early 1800s. Do you have any expertise in this issue? The proof is in the pudding, since in those days the likeliest birth control is only the word "Nei." They didn't need fertiliity treatments, Mother Nature ruled.
The only falsity I see is that you assume you know something when you haven't even searched the actual records. Your lack of experience is revealed.
Fortunately for you lack of education is the most easily overcome of all shortcomings. You need to let the records speak for themselves and keep your untimely & unnecessary conclusions to yourself until you have gathered all the factual information.
I echo Hopkins, good luck indeed because you will need it to overcome that attitude. |
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hasto
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Norway
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Erik Carsten
Advanced member
USA
578 Posts |
Posted - 22/05/2014 : 00:57:33
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| I too have been following this thread and agree with others that the guest's ignorances have been betrayed by her lack of respect for all who have tried to help her. |
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Erik Larsen's parents
