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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 27/05/2015 : 15:41:04
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Originally posted by JaneC
Our info on Amund (son of Lars Hansen Staurustbakken) is that he emigrated ca 1879 (posted earlier), married Emma Olsdatter Moen in October 1880 in Albin (or one of those allied small congregations). Maybe needs another look since the bygdebok contradicts.
The so-called daughter of Amund b. 1856 named Marit #4:
Source information: Oppland county, Lom, Parish register copy nr. 13 (1874-1938), Birth and baptism records 1880, page 19.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=1553&idx_id=1553&uid=ny&idx_side=-23
Father's birthyear given as 1826. Something is wrong, time will tell.
Here are all the Amund Lars* b/ residing in Lom found in the search engine at digitalarkivet:
Amund Larssen 1862* Lom Deres Søn ug Lom: Kolden 31.12.1865 folketelt Folketelling 1865 for 0514P Lom prestegjeld
Amund Larsen 1856* Lom Hans Søn ug Lom: Sønstenæstræet 31.12.1865 folketelt Folketelling 1865 for 0514P Lom prestegjeld
Amund Larsen 1870 Lom Deres Søn Lom: Kolden nordre 31.12.1875 Folketelling 1875 for 0514P Lom prestegjeld
Amund Larsson 20.11.1904 Lom s ug son Lom: Kvaale 01.12.1910 Folketelling 1910 for 0514 Lom herred
Amund Larsen 1856 Loms S. og Prgj. Tjenestegut ug Tjenestegut Lom: Kvandalsvoll 31.12.1875 Folketelling 1875 for 0514P Lom prestegjeld
Amund Larsen u Arbeider Lom Pr. 04.04.1879 Emigranter over Oslo 1867-1930
Clearly none at either 1865 and 1875 census with a birth year of 1826. The Amund b 1862 is not included in the 1875 census and there is a new Amund b 1870 in the family in 1875 so likely the elder Amund in that family has died.
There is only one Amund Lars* leaving from Lom in the emigrants database at digitalarkivet. His age is 23 and with the date of his leaving 4 Apr 1879 he could be the father of someone born 8 Dec 1879.
The only other Amunds in the emigrants database from Lom in 1896 is a man named Amund Jensen age 20. I didn't find any other utflyttedes lists from Lom parish covering 1896 published online (there was one list from one of the sub parishes) but no Amunds included. So source for 1896 departure is not clear.
Next up another look at the American marriage record. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 27/05/2015 16:20:35 |
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JaneC
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Posted - 27/05/2015 : 16:21:58
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Originally posted by jkmarler
In Gudbrandsdalslaget Aarbog #13-14, 1925-1926 in the listing for Lom is this entry on page 77:
"Larson, Amund H. (Sønstenes) [who resides at or receives mail at] Rockford, Wash. [came to US in] (1879)"
Above is from page 3 of this thread. Descendant confirmed Amund lived at Rockford. Page 2 shows Amund Larsen b 1856 (with the right farm name) on a transcribed, extracted list of emigrants from Lom, departing 1879. The churchbook (original) record is posted somewhere in the thread.
P.S. Jackie you extended your info as I typed. I feel comfortable we are correct about Amund's emigration. As for illegitimate babies left behind, the jury is out -- but doubtful. |
Edited by - JaneC on 27/05/2015 16:31:57 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/05/2015 : 16:31:48
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Our info on Amund (son of Lars Hansen Staurustbakken) is that he emigrated ca 1879 (posted earlier), married Emma Olsdatter Moen in October 1880 in Albin (or one of those allied small congregations). Maybe needs another look since the bygdebok contradicts.
No I think that it is correct that according to the Bygdebok Amund emigrated in 1879 but then returned to Norway and then emmigated back again to America. I will take another look at the Bygdebok and see if I missed something. And I did it is the daughter Marit who travels to America in 1896.
Went back and reread the scans and the Bygdebok does briefly mention that Amund utfl. til Amerika in 1879. For some reason it was put before some other discussion about Amund in which he is said to have worked as a hired hand at Kvandsvollen 1875 and then fekk ie got with Brit and had the dotter Marit in 1879 and then utfl 1896 til Amerika (the 1896 referres to Marit) . The chronology here is not clear and the whole thing is somewhat buried in the book.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/05/2015 : 16:36:37
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Didn't return to Norway by any known, expected patterns of behavior in this era. He is in Minnesota 1880 getting married, in 1885 Minnesota census with wife and children, and a long line of American-born children continued to appear. So what I mean is, when would he, how could he, return?
The more plausible explanation is that the bygdebok erred. |
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JaneC
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Posted - 27/05/2015 : 16:51:50
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| In case it helps any reader, in jkmarler list of Amund Larsens in Lom, our Amund, born 1856, lives at Sønstenæstræet in 1865 with widowed father. In 1875 census he's a laborer (tjenestegut) at Kvandalsvoll (though most often it is impossible to 100% identify a solo individual not living with family). His older brother Hans married and emigrated 1878 and is found in Albin 1880 and in that neck of the woods ever after. Amund followed 1879. |
Edited by - JaneC on 27/05/2015 16:53:07 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 27/05/2015 : 16:53:49
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Opps I think I have got it, it was the daughter Marit who utfl.1896 til America.This portion reads
fekk med Brit Arnesdotter fodt 1853 i Helstadkjørri grn 36-1 dottera Marit f 1879 utf. 1896 til Amerika.
Looking at it again I can see that the author was likely referring to Marit as the person going to America in 1896.
Sorry for the confusion |
Edited by - AntonH on 27/05/2015 17:00:20 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/05/2015 : 16:57:39
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There are actually two records of Amund's and Emma's marriage online.
In a familysearch database of Minnesota county marriages found at Archives.com was the county level record. It's on page 313 of an unknown # volume of Brown county, Minnesota marriages.
So roughly in a sort of affidavit Amund Larson says this: he was born Norway November 2*, 1856, has resided in Brown county since 1879 and is occupied as a farmer and never been married and currently resides Albin, Brown county, Minnesota. Emma O. Moen was born Norway on 16 Aug 1856 and has never been married and currently resides in Albin, Brown county, Minnesota. The date on this attestation is 7 Oct 1880 taken by A. Blanchard, clerk of court.
*the ink is smeared so actual digit is not clear, may be a 0?
The pastor A. L. Lobben states that the marriage occurred at Albin on Oct 11, 1880.
From Norske Lutherske Prester i Amerika, 1843-1916 pg 156
Pastor Anders L. Lobben was born 1830 in Eker, Norway. From 1879-1886 he served 5 congregations (not named) at St. James, Minnesota.
In the church record, church is described a Long Lake Lutheran of Wetonwan (should be Watonwan). The marriage occurred 11 Oct 1880, same day as Hans O. Moen's.
Amund Larson is described as from Lom, Norge age 29 years, parents are Lars Hansen and Mari Olsdatter
Emma O. Moen is described as from Lom, Norge age 23, parents are Ole O Moen and Eli Johnsdatter.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 27/05/2015 : 17:04:51
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Opps I think I have got it, it was the daughter Marit who utfl.1896 til America.This portion reads
fekk med Brit Arnesdotter fodt 1853 i Helstadkjørri grn 36-1 dottera Marit f 1879 utf. 1896 til Amerika.
Looking at it again I can see that the author was likely referring to Marit as the person going to America in 1896.
Sorry for the confusion
No offense taken. Here's a link to Marit's probable departure in 1896, Kjoren was her mother's farm, I think:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000509724 |
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AntonH
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jkmarler
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Posted - 27/05/2015 : 22:07:50
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| There were several errors on the page. The marriage is #'d 4 farther down the page. |
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AntonH
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JaneC
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Posted - 28/05/2015 : 04:35:52
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AntonH
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Posted - 28/05/2015 : 22:10:58
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Arrival of Marit A Kjørran into US . I was hoping that the manifest would state who she was going to in Minneapolis, but no such luck.
Maril A Kjorren in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Maril A Kjorren
[Marit A Kjørren]
Arrival Date: 2 Sep 1896
Birth Date: abt 1880
Age: 16
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Teutonic
Search Ship Database: Search for the Teutonic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database |
Edited by - AntonH on 29/05/2015 01:31:55 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/05/2015 : 22:57:57
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Thank you so much for all of this! I never heard of the bygdebok books.
Here some articles that will answer any questions about Bygdebøker.
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~norway/bygdebok.html
Some info on the Bygdebok that I used to find information on your ancestros.
Bygdebok for Lom
By Jon Kolden
Published by Lom kommune and Snøhetta Forlag A.S.
4 volumes
(Volume 1 has been published, the remaining 3 volumes are expected
to be published in 2002. The author, Jon Kolden, died in 1996
prior to completing this bygdebook).
The Bygdebok for Lom web site has some information in English about this bygdebok.
You can contact the publisher by e-mail at kontor@snohetta.no or ak@hivolda.no |
Edited by - AntonH on 27/10/2015 22:57:25 |
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LCampbell
Junior member
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Posted - 01/06/2015 : 23:49:52
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| I received the Death Certificate I ordered for Kari Lars Rustin and it did not give any additional information. Cause of death was listed as phenomena. I have no idea what that could mean. No address, parents names, or informant listed. I am hoping that the records from St. Peter's will help prove or disprove the connection. |
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Edited by - LCampbell on 01/06/2015 23:50:38 |
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Looking for information on Emma S. Moen
