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AntonH
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 Posted - 13/05/2015 : 22:53:02
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Johan Bendik Jonsen in the 1865 Norwegian Census. Not yet married
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/05/2015 : 23:18:58
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Probably the baptism record for Martha Olsdatter wife of Johan Bendik Jonsen, See number 85, Father is Ole Johannesen and mother is Guru Pedersdatter. .
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2483&idx_id=2483&uid=ny&idx_side=-50
And the record from Ancestry.com
Name: Martha Olesdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 29 mar 1855
Birth Place: Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Baptism Date: 28 mai 1855 (28 May 1855)
Baptism Place: Verdal, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Father: Ole Johannesen
Mother: Guru Petersdr
FHL Film Number: 307070 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/05/2015 : 23:31:27
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Here is the 1865 Norwegian Census for the family of Ole Johannessen and Guru Petersdatter, however I do not see any Martha although she should be only ten years old.
NHDC 1865
However I do find her confirmation in 1871 following the baptism info. See number 37
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6625&idx_id=6625&uid=ny&idx_side=-215
This is always fun, but I am not finding any Betys and we are getting a long ways from Bergen. |
Edited by - AntonH on 13/05/2015 23:40:48 |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 13/05/2015 : 23:53:48
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Marriage record for Guru Petersdatter and Ole Johannesen.
Guru Petersdatter in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Guru Petersdatter
[Guru Nilsen]
Gender: Female
Age: 32
Birth Date: 1820
Marriage Date: 26 nov 1852
Marriage Place: Verdal, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Father: Peter Nilsen
Spouse: Ole Johannessen
FHL Film Number: 1693735
Reference ID: b1 p266 n11
Name: Ole Johannessen
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Birth Date: 1825
Marriage Date: 26 nov 1852
Marriage Place: Verdal, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Father: Johannes Homasen
Spouse: Guru Petersdatter
FHL Film Number: 1693735
Reference ID: b1 p266 n11
Looking at the origianal on Digitalarkivet I think that the father of Ole is Johannes Thomasen. See about fourth down Nov 26.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=2483&idx_id=2483&uid=ny&idx_side=-199
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/05/2015 : 00:00:02
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Pages 7 and 8 are where some of this research has already been done, link provided to assist:
Yes and very handy direction from Einar on where to start. However I am beginning to doubt that George L Johnson can be a cousin to Betsy Johnson born abt 1850. Certainly does not look like it through the mother of George, Martha Olsdatter Wenos.
I am hoping that Nancy can put this family info into her Genealogy software and come up with some connection between George and his family line and Betsy Johnson but so far I do not see it. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/05/2015 : 00:29:27
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Nancy did you ever get the son Alexander's death certificate which might have another iteration of Betsy's name and birthplace?
Did you ever get the marriage record from Boone county? |
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/05/2015 : 00:47:20
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Ole and Guru had these children.
Name: Johannes Olesen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 24 jun 1858
Birth Place: Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Baptism Date: 8 aug 1858
Baptism Place: Verdal, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Father: Ole Johannesen
Mother: Guru Petersdr
Name: Martha Olesdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 29 mar 1855
Birth Place: Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Baptism Date: 28 mai 1855 (28 May 1855)
Baptism Place: Verdal, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Father: Ole Johannesen
Mother: Guru Petersdr
Name: Karen Johannessen
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 26 nov 1852
Baptism Place: Verdal, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Father: Ole Johannessen
Mother: Guru Petersdatter
Ancestry has chosen to use the fathers last name for Karen just above, but in reality she would have been a Olsdatter just like her siblings.
And none of them would likely have been given the last name of Johnsen or Jonsen or some such variation.
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/05/2015 : 02:45:44
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Nancy to summarize where I am going with this seemingly aimless search is to establish who the grandparents of George Leonard Johnson were. They were
John Olsen Burnaval
wife
Randi Jacobsdatter Lillebjørgen
Ole Johannesen
wife
Guru Pedersdatter
Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but if any one of those four had a sibling named Johan or some variation, and that sibling named Johan, could have a daughter named Betsy or some variation and thus would be a cousin once removed to George L.
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NancyB
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Posted - 14/05/2015 : 03:55:34
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Johan Bendik Jonsen in the 1865 Norwegian Census. Not yet married
NHDC 1865
Hi Lyndal,
I picked just one of your posts to reply to, but I appreciate them all! I have had a great time looking at the documents you linked to and updating Johan Bendik's tree with new information. Just hoping someday I'll be able to connect that tree with my own.
I didn't find any connection in the surname list you found in RootsWeb, but kept looking since so many of the names were familiar.
I very much appreciate the time and effort you have put into trying to help me!
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/05/2015 : 17:12:26
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Focusing on one grandparent of George L Johnson, the mother of Martha Olsdatter Wenos was Guru Pettersdatter. This is likely her baptism record from Ancestry.com. Vuku is listed as a muncipality in Verdal by Wikipedia.
Name: Guru Petter Andreasdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 22 jul 1820
Baptism Date: 27 aug 1820
Baptism Place: Vuku, Nord Trondelag, Norway
Father: Petter Andreas Nielsen
Mother: Kierstie Pedersdr
FHL Film Number: 125444
Reference ID: 2:1J6R7FS
See also number 17 right hand page.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=17063&idx_id=17063&uid=ny&idx_side=-20
This is likely the marriage record for her parents.
Name: Peter Andreas Nielsen
Gender: Male
Age: 27
Birth Date: 1790
Marriage Date: 17 okt 1817 (17 Oct 1817)
Marriage Place: Stiklestad, Nord Trondelag, Norway
Spouse: Kierstie Pedersdr
FHL Film Number: 125444
Reference ID: 2:1J6RW0K
See also number 13
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16402&idx_id=16402&uid=ny&idx_side=-62
They had the following children that I could find. Name - birth date - baptism date - place - father - mother
Ingebor Kirstine Petter Andreasdatter
24 nov 1817 1 jan 1818 Stiklestad, Nord Trondelag, Norway Petter Andreas,
Kierstie
Guru Petter Andreasdatter
22 jul 1820 27 aug 1820 Vuku, Nord Trondelag, Norway Petter Andreas,
Kierstie
Niels Petter Andreasen
5 jan 1823 Vuku, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway Petter Andreas,
Kierstie
Pauline Petersdatter
6 aug 1826 Vuku, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway Peter,
Kierstie
People with one date give only the baptism date. As you can see there are not any Johans or any variation of that name so we should not expect any Betsy Johansons or variations of that name to have come from this grandparents side of the family.
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/05/2015 : 17:43:47
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The father of Martha Olsdatter Webos was likely Ole Johannessen. This is probably his baptism record.
Ole Johannesen in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Ole Johannesen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 4 mai 1826 (4 May 1826)
Baptism Place: Vuku, Nord-Trøndelag, Norway
Father: Johannes Thomesen
Mother: Magnil Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 125445
Reference ID: bk 6 pg 123
See also number 63
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=16400&idx_id=16400&uid=ny&idx_side=-64
So far he is the only child I have found for Johannes and Magnil. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/05/2015 : 17:50:28
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Focusing on one grandparent of George L Johnson, the mother of Dorthe Olsdatter Wenos was Guru Pettersdatter.
You mean Martha? |
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AntonH
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Posted - 14/05/2015 : 17:54:52
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| You are correct Jackie, I did mean Martha, this is getting a little confusing, I need to make a spreadsheet to follow the participants. |
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NancyB
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Reviving Search for Betsy Johnson
