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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 30/05/2015 : 16:18:52
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Originally posted by JeanFlor
I'm at least 160 miles from the closest - Grand Forks or St. Olaf. And I don't expect they loan them out to other libraries. I'm thinking they're written in Norwegian anyway, so probably not even worth the road trip - would be hard even using a computer or phone translator.
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Originally posted by lyndal40
There are good collections of Bygdebøker at The University of Minnesota, Wilson Library in Minneapolis. The University of North Dakota, Grand Forks and Saint Olaf"s College in Northfield Minnesota and probably a few other states such as Wiscconsin and Iowa. I do not know if any of these places are close to where you live.
If they are older books that they have on their shelf, Concordia College Carl B. Ylvisaker Library sometime honors ILL requests. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/05/2015 : 18:15:51
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Telneset school, Tynset, 1905-1906
1st row from left: Kristine Moseng, Bergljot Telneset (Harsjøen), Anna Aaseng, Magna Aas-Eng, Marit Negard, Berit Østby, Signe Øian, Gislaug Øian, Maria Øian and Olga Øian.
2nd row from left: Ola Aashaug, Halvor Aaseng, Sivert Follstad, Erling Aas-Eng, Nils Hagen, Morten Øian, Marius Nybakken, Amund Aaseng, Håkon Aas-Eng and Aasmund Gardseth.
3rd row from left: Teacher Hompland, Inger Kletvang, Kirsti Aaseng, Kjerstina Aaseng, Ingeborg Aaseng (Lindquist), Marit K. Aaseng, Olga Malmåsen, Maria Øian, Lisbeth Moen and teacher M. Østby.
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JeanFlor
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Posted - 30/05/2015 : 19:55:39
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Would have to find someone in Jmstn who could read Norwegian - sometimes I can make some sense out of Norwegian text - just enough to be dangerous. Will have to look into it!
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JeanFlor
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Posted - 30/05/2015 : 20:17:50
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Love this pic! And I'm sure that some are probably relatives of Julia, although most of her aunts & uncles (including Julia's mother - Beret Olsdtr Øian) emigrated about this time. Julia emigrated in 1904 so just missed being in the picture! Will have to study it. My own gg grandmother was Beret Pedersdtr Øian born 1842 in Tynset & married Anders Lillevang. Her daughter, Beret Andersdtr emigrated and was 1st cousin to Julia's mother. However some of Beret Pedersdtr's family and Beret Olsdtr's remained around Tynset. These could be their nieces, nephews, etc.. And my husband's relatives are Aasengs from Vingelen. I was surprised my husband & I had ancestors that lived so close to one another! Thx for posting.
[quote]Originally posted by jwiborg
Telneset school, Tynset, 1905-1906
1st row from left: Kristine Moseng, Bergljot Telneset (Harsjøen), Anna Aaseng, Magna Aas-Eng, Marit Negard, Berit Østby, Signe Øian, Gislaug Øian, Maria Øian and Olga Øian.
2nd row from left: Ola Aashaug, Halvor Aaseng, Sivert Follstad, Erling Aas-Eng, Nils Hagen, Morten Øian, Marius Nybakken, Amund Aaseng, Håkon Aas-Eng and Aasmund Gardseth.
3rd row from left: Teacher Hompland, Inger Kletvang, Kirsti Aaseng, Kjerstina Aaseng, Ingeborg Aaseng (Lindquist), Marit K. Aaseng, Olga Malmåsen, Maria Øian, Lisbeth Moen and teacher M. Østby.
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JeanFlor
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Posted - 30/05/2015 : 20:21:36
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What a great document - her mother Beret is just a few pages before. I didn't see a search engine so think you had to go through this Census page by page....maybe using the index for some of it. Thanks for taking all that time.
Jean
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Simen was not found on any of the farms starting with Aas in Tolgen. Here is Julia's page, she was living with her grandparents.
Kildeinformasjon: Hedmark fylke, Tynset herred, Statlig folketelling (RA/S-2231/E/Ea), 1891-1891, oppb: Riksarkivet.
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:db_read/ft/52747/2974/
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jwiborg
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Norway
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Posted - 30/05/2015 : 21:13:51
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The girls to the right in 1st row is named Øian; sisters Gislaug, Maria and and Olga. The tall boy in 2nd row is brother Morten.
Their parents are Morten Thoresen Øian (b. 15 Dec 1855) and Gjertrud Olsdatter Øian (b. 11 Mar 1858)
Married 06 Jul 1882
His parents: Thore Mortensen & Marit Eriksdatter, Øian Udgaarden vestre, Tynset, Hedmark.
Morten in Census-1865
Her parents: Ole Iversen & Ingrid Pedersdatter, Hougen Aasen, Vindgelen in Tolga, Hedmark.
Gjertrud in Census-1865 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/05/2015 : 00:41:01
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A possible candidate.
Simen Johansen Hagen b. Nov. 7. 1868 in Vang, farmworker and unmarried in 1900.
Occ. machinist and working on a steam tresher, married and 5 children on farm Høiby in 1910
Vang
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/05/2015 : 04:35:48
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Well okay so find a Simon Johannesen born 1868 in Tolga or one of its sub parishes. The closest one is a Simen Johnson b. 1864 and I think some things about him are posted on page 1 or 2 of this topic.
The problem to me is that wouldn't a Norwegian know the difference between Johnson and Johannessen? For instance us Yankees do see a difference between the names William or Willard even though they are very similar.
The baptismal does not weigh in on the birthplace of either parent, only to their addresses. |
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AntonH
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/05/2015 : 06:30:19
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There are not a lot of Simen Johansens of various spellings listed in the Ancestry.com data base for Hedmark born in 1870 plus or minus 2. Only two pop up other than Simen Hakon Johnsen already discussed by Jackie.
View Record
Simen Johannesen
22 feb 1872 25 apr 1872 Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway Johannes,
Johanne
View Record
Simen Johansen
5 mai 1872 (5 May 1872) 2 jun 1872 Ringsaker, Hedmark, Norway Johan,
Maria
Number two can be found in the 1900 Census so probably can be ruled out.
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=0412&kenr=019&bnr=0050&lnr=00 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/06/2015 : 20:51:01
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It seems unfortunately difficult. to find Simen Johannesen Aaseng for his granddaughter in California.
Add. info.
Ole Pedersen Øilien who em. 1904 waited for many years before he sold Øilien.
The Digitised Real Estate Registers from Tynset tells he sold Øilien Sept. 28. 1921 to Bersvend Olsen Øilien for 6000 Kroner (114 000 Kroner in 2014) link
Here is more.
3- Bond (finance) Sept. 15. 1883 from Ole Pedersen to Hypotekbank on 600 Kroner secured in the farm.
4- Bond dated Dec. 15. 1896 on 200 Kroner to Hypotekbank secured in the property
5- Contract on leasing of the farn August 1. 1904 to Sept. 1. 1907 to Peder J. Normann? for 500 Kroner.
6- Bond August 15. 1908 from Ole Pedersen Øilien to Tynset Bank on 300 Kroner secured in the property.
7- Bond d. April 15. 1921 from Ole P. Øilien to Tynset Bank on 2500 Kroner secured in the property.
9- Title of property where Ole Pedersen Øilien sold the farm to Bersvend Olsen for 6000 Kroner.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/06/2015 : 00:14:22
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Found some interesting when I Googled Simen Johannesen 1868 Tynset, but the link has an error:
It seems to go like this;
"Finner du nok ikke i..." You will find nothing in Tynset Bygdebok volume two but in volume one page 578. Subject: Simen Johannesen 1868, recidence Aaseng/Åseng, Tolga in 1890...
headline; Slektsforum::Søk LINK
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/06/2015 : 04:32:14
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| I will see if I can get over the the U of Minnesota Library this week and look at the Tolga and Tynset Bygdebok, Page 578 might be a good place to start. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/06/2015 : 22:26:16
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Today I had time to look at the Tynset Bygdebok. No new revelations there. Here is the part of the section on Øilia pertaining to Julia.
Ole Pedersen f. 13/8 1845, d. 30/5 1921, g. 25/4 1868 i Tolga m. Johanne Knutsd. Hammerplass. f. 11/8 1843 i Tolga, d. 23/11 1903
3. Beret f. 4/8 1871, har med Simen Johannesson Aaseng, Tolga, f. 1868, dattera Julia f. 29/7 1890. Beret reiste til New York 9/9 1892.
Also this on Ole Pedesen,
Ole Pedesen var i gamleste laget til å greie det harde tempoet i Amerika , og kom attende til Tynset og dødde i heimbygda.
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JeanFlor
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Posted - 02/06/2015 : 22:35:16
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It took me several tries, but I believe I found the missing link. The Google search engine combined results, I think, so the results were mixed with another person.
See - Re: Iver Pedersen (Nyland) (f.1811) at this link.....
Skrevet: 04 Jan 2015 23:50:10 Tittel: Re: Iver Pedersen (Nyland) (f.1811)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:VBaICekHsbIJ:www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D662647%26sid%3D3150d4c4603720603efb4bd525f0a2b4+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
I've seen pages from the Bygdebok from Vingelen regarding the Aasengs (translated by a relative from Norway) and could find no evidence of Simen there. Not sure it is worthwhile for lyndal40 to look at the Tolga & Tynset Bygdebok, or not? Regardless, thanks to all for your time & efforts - it is SO much appreciated. Simen Johannessen is just such a mystery! It took almost 3 decades for me to solve the mystery of my great grandmother, so I still hope to find proof of Simen. Ironically, Julia married Edward Smith - "Smith" being the most common name in America. Can't find his line either.
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Looking for Simen Johannesen Aaseng born 1868
