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NBos
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 Posted - 29/10/2015 : 00:49:05
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My GG grandmother came over from Norway [1900 Iowa census] about 1886.
Her marriage record in Sioux City, Woodbury co., Iowa says parents are Erik Jorgensen and Dorthea Olsn. The starnge thing for me is her last name on marr record is listec as Asbill. But it was probably Asboll. I did an Ancestry dna kit not to long ago and found a connected ancestor to her by way of her grandparents. Basically showing her dad's brother as Ole Jorgensen Barboe. Now I am really confused with so many "last" names.
For my GG gdandparents they were both married that one time in 1898 Sioux City. Then Ella died after her second child and so did the child. They are actually buried in the same cemetery as Ole Barboe's son Knudt [the posible uncles son]
I am having a hard time trying to find them on any ship from Norway or a connection to Ellas's grandparents. Also having a hard time finding her family in any Iowa census. Not sure if they even came over with her?
Now on Ellas husband side Valdum or the Americanized Waldum I have done much research and found the family. But on her side is my brick wall.
Ella could be originally from Orkdahl or Sor Trondelag?
If anyone can help I would be much appreciative!
I have done a lot of work adding the family to findagrave as well [Waldum]
Thank you in advace for your help |
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NBos
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 00:51:32
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 01:12:23
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Asbøll is likely a farm name. Typically in Norway a person is given a first name, the surname is usually a patronymic based on the name of their father with son or datter added based on the person so named's sex and then a farm name which functions as an address. If the person moves from that farm to a different farm then they adopt that farm name.
This is likely a transcription of Ella's birth and baptism born 28 Sept 1873 Eli Erichsdtr, daughter of Erich Jørgensen Asbøl:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/kb/dp/person/pd00000002326253
Several siblings for her are transcribed in this database also. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 29/10/2015 01:22:10 |
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NBos
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 01:21:25
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| John & Karen are possible siblings so it could very well be them. Thank you for this! |
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jkmarler
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NBos
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 01:43:48
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Adding the Asboll at the end of Jorgensen makes more sense
Is there any thing that shows them coming to America?
Thank you soooooo very much jkmarler for all you are finding for me!!
Much appreciated! |
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jkmarler
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jkmarler
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NBos
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 02:35:23
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Who is Eli? Sorry not sure about that name.
Ella says in the 1900 census she came over in 1886. I wonder if she came with her parents or a sibling?
My Waldum family had 2 older sons come to America first and they saved up money to help buy tickets for the rest of the family [parents & siblings] to come over from Norway.
That's why I wonder if Ella was with her parents or not. I can't find the parents anywhere in the US at least not yet :)
Thanks again for all the help |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 03:12:54
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Here are all the Eli leaving from ørkdal trough Trondhjeim:
Fornavn Etternavn Bosted Fødselsår Alder Fødested Utreisedato Reisemål Kilde
Eli Olsd. Lium Ørkedalen 24 Hancock Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli Sommervold* Ørkedalen 11,5 Sioux City Iowa Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli M. Kvammen Ørkedalen 22 Red Wing Minn Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli Sivertsd. Eggan Ørkedalen 33 Minneapolis Minn Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli Jons. Ørkedalen 23 Ishpeming Mich Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli H. Johannesd. Ørkedalen 22 Owatona Minn Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli Jons. Ørkedalen 0,75 Kindred Dak. Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli Ekløkken Ørkedalen 23 Minneapolis Minn Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli Viggen Ørkedalen 27 Minneapolis Minn Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli Ols. Ørkedalen 21 Ishpeming Mich Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli Ols. Ørkedalen 22 Minneapolis, Minn Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli J. Flaaskog Ørkedalen 30 Inkster Dakota Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli Aspøl Ørkedalen 19 Quebec Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli L. Walstad Ørkedalen 25 New York Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli J. Kvaal Ørkedalen 22 Grantsburg Wisc Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli Aabøl Ørkedalen 17 Alcester S. Dakota Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli Kloen Ørkedalen 0,5 Seattle, Wash Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli Sølvberg Ørkedalen 1882 Alberta, S. Dak Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
Eli Pedersd. Landsem Ørkedalen 1866 Wimbleton N. Dak Emigranter over Trondheim 1867-1930
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jkmarler
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NBos
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 15:56:58
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So he stayed in Norway and died there. Maybe Ella came over with a sibling?
Thank you so very much for all of your help!
Ella has been such a mystery for me for many years.
I'm glad I did the Ancestry DNA kit!
Have a great day!! |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 16:21:30
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This is likely Eli arriving into Canada. The original manifest states destination is Sioux City. Only issue is that the person is identified as a male. However that is likely an error as the Norwegian records of the emmigration refer to Eli as a female ie k for kvinne.
Eli Asbohl
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Eli Asbohl
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Birth Year: abt 1874
Date of Arrival: 13 May 1893
Vessel: Parisian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Parisian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec, Canada; Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
As well as the description of Eli as a female in this version of the emigration record, it also provides an easy way to see who her fellow passengers are. Next to Eli is a Micael O Barbo, who also shows up in the arrival record on Ancestry.com giving further proof that this is the Eli from the record that Jackie has given you.
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=EMITROND&gardpostnr=75657&merk=75657#ovre |
Edited by - AntonH on 29/10/2015 16:32:10 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 16:36:20
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Here is the vertually the same record, also from Ancestry.com but with an easier to read original manifest. It also shows all of the same people travelling at the same time and on the same ship as does the Norwegian record. Since it is the same record as the Canadian one it repeats the same mistake by identifying Eli as a male.
Eli Asbohl
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Eli Asbohl
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1874
Departure Date: 4 May 1893
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Parisian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Parisian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Allan Line
Master: J Ritchie
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 16:51:48
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Back to see lyndal40 posted as I wrote and also points out Mikkel Barbo.
Here's an online family tree that includes sources showing that Ole Jørgensen, Barbo, has the same parents as Erik Jorgensen, Ella's dad.
http://astavne.net/Rennebu/index.htm?ssmain=p59495.htm
You asked, who is Elie? Elie is the Norwegian birth name of your Ella (b Sep 1873 and married Ole Olsen Waldum in Sioux City, Iowa). Elie emigrated to the USA in 1893, as jkmarler posted. Her husband emigrated with parents ca mid-1880s,didn't he? So perhaps the US census taker in 1900 simply gives Ole and Ella the same immigration date. You didn't share the 1900 census with us, and I didn't look it up.
Notice on the 1865 census for Erik that his mother (hans moder) Kari Olsdatter is noted with a Norwegian word that means she's a retired previous owner, still living there. Her son Ole (brother to Erik) runs the place. Notice Ole has a son Knut born 1858. That's the Knut you mentioned to start out.
This Knut emigrated 1882 as I recall - I looked up his emigration at Digitalarkkivet ( links to this website posted above). Knut is Ella's first cousin. In the 1875 census for Ella's uncle Ole J. Barbo, he is shown with a son Mikkel born 1874. (That census is posted on the family tree link.) Now look again at the 1893 emigration for Ella (Elie). Click on Previous record to see who is next to her on the departure list. It is Mikkel Barbo, age 19, born about 1874. He is likely Ella's traveling companion, likely her first cousin, Knut's brother. Further research could confirm this. Others in this family seem to have emigrated as well. Further research would tell.
Likely Ella is heading to her cousin Knut and any others from the family and/or the neighborhood who are in Sioux City.
Ella (Elie) can be referred to as Eriksdatter because she's Erik's daughter. She can be referred to as Jorgensen if she decided to go modern and use her father's last name instead of his first name. This was a normal shift that people all over Norway made in this era. Ella can also be referred to by her farm name. A person changes farm names when he/she moves, so it's more like an address than a name. In America imigrants are sometimes inconsistent about their name, at first, then after some years they choose just one of their names as a surname. So it's very normal to find Ella with her farm name on her 1898 marriage record.
Some of this is obvious, some maybe not. If this clarifies anything at all, great. |
Edited by - JaneC on 29/10/2015 17:19:27 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/10/2015 : 17:35:37
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Originally posted by NBos
John & Karen are possible siblings so it could very well be them. Thank you for this!
jkmarler posted Elie's birth record (Ella's birth record) and you replied this way. There are no siblings for Elie in her birth record. The extra names are godparents. The residence of each godparent is noted on the far right. The names correspond to family members and likely there are family connections here. The 1875 census for Erik and family DOES show siblings for Elie. What made you think she may have had siblings John and Karen? This proved true, along with your other hypotheses. So I'm curious why you thought so. |
Edited by - JaneC on 29/10/2015 17:37:00 |
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Looking for help please with brick wall on my GG g
