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jkmarler
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 Posted - 30/06/2016 : 19:36:47
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Indexed and transcribed records are always useful but one should also look at the actual original to see if you agree or not with the interpretation of the record.
As far as I know, there is no Norwegian name which is spelled Mashel. The most common closest to Mashel is Massie, Massaline, Massa.
Without having seen the original and probably handwritten record, my suspicion would be that the interpretation is faulty. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/06/2016 : 19:43:46
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| Well Joseph would have been 18 or thereabouts when Carl died, so a young man when that happened. |
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AntonH
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vivi
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Posted - 30/06/2016 : 22:49:53
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Hi
Just to add to the confusion  . Here is Karl Hansen/Mathea Andersen baptizing two sons:
Sverre b. 13 nov 1887 and
Vilhelm b. 1. may 1890
SAO, Kampen prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. I 5, 1890-1902, s. 14
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060921060065
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/07/2016 : 00:14:27
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Here is the confirmaton of Mikel Hansen
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20070206620162
Born March 22, 1858
See number 6
Very rare/seldom confirmation record to read.
Mikel was not vaccinated because he had been infected with the "naturlige kopper" natural smallpox
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/07/2016 : 16:42:46
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Karl Hansen, known as Charles Hanson in the Rockford, Illinois, City Directory, was still alive in 1907. The address is 1529 15th. However in the 1908 version Matea, known as Martha then is listed as a widow. This address is the same as the whole family lived in, in the 1910 Census.
Name: Charles Hanson
Gender: Female
Residence Year: 1907
Street address: 1529 15th
Residence Place: Rockford, Illinois, USA
Occupation: Nattern
Spouse: Mathea Hanson
Publication Title: Rockford, Illinois, City Directory, 1907
This is possibly the death of Karl Hansen
Carl Hanson
in the Winnebago County, Illinois, Deaths, 1844-1992
Name: Carl Hanson
Death Date: 9 Mar 1908 |
Edited by - AntonH on 01/07/2016 17:19:21 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/07/2016 : 17:26:16
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Here is a record for Emil Hansen. Birth date must be wrong and maybe confused with the death date.
Emil Hanson
in the Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947
Name: Emil Hanson
Birth Date: 8 Jan 1920
Birth Place: Norway
Death Date: 16 Feb 1920
Death Place: Rockford, Winnebago, Illinois
Burial Date: 17 Feb 1920
Burial Place: Scandinavian
Death Age: 22
Occupation: Chauefeur
Race: White
Marital Status: S
Gender: Male
Street address: 1510 7th Ave.
Father Name: Carl Hanson
Father Birth Place: Norway
Mother Name: Matea Anderson
Mother Birth Place: Norway
Comments: Lived 16y where death occurred.
FHL Film Number: 1562480 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 01/07/2016 : 22:48:48
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quote:
Just to add to the confusion . Here is Karl Hansen/Mathea Andersen baptizing two sons:
Sverre b. 13 nov 1887 and
Vilhelm b. 1. may 1890
It may be just a coincidence but Sverre is confirmed in Vestre Bærum in 1903 See number 25
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/kb20061002010286
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jkmarler
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vivi
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Posted - 02/07/2016 : 01:36:02
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Hi
There is a Gustav Kristian born to Karl and Mathea 13. jan. 1886 and baptized in Nov. 1886 in Gamlebyen, Oslo:
SAO, Gamlebyen prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1878-1889, s. 159
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060921070812
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/07/2016 : 01:49:21
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From Rockford Republic, Friday 10 June 1910, pg 1:
"Carl and Olaf Hansen, aged 23 and 21 respectively , sons of Mrs. Martha Hansen, 1529 15th St are in county jail at Logan, Iowa awaiting trial on the charge of breaking into freight cars....One of the Hansen brothers is married and his wife resides here as well."
Other accounts in Rockford papers give other details. For instance there is a longish story about a letter written in Norwegian from Carl Johnson (originally both Carl and Olaf were id'ed as Johnson) in jail to Mrs. Birgitta Jannsen who lives at 1529 15th St also asking her to inform his wife of his whereabouts and to let her know that she should come to him and that he has stashed a trunk at a certain address at Stoughton, Wisc. the contents of which only she and he should view. Sheriff Barden of Logan intercepted the letter and had it translated so the big secret was about out and deputies were dispatched to retrieve the trunk.
In another article about what transpired before the breaking in of freight cars, still in Rockford the Hansen brothers were wanted for robbery of tools from a Rockford firm which they sold to others for cash Also at the same time the two brothers got jewelry from another Rockford firm by deception pretending to be two of their younger brothers, Joseph and Vilon Hansen.
So which of the boys are these?
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/07/2016 : 01:50:29
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Good one Jackie, Sverre is going to his brother Harald Hansen Rockford Ill.
Sverre Hansen
in the Massachusetts, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1963
Name: Sverre Hansen
Gender: Male
Nationality: Norwegian
Birthdate: abt 1889
Age: 16
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Saxonia
Arrival Date: 12 Jan 1905
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: Haral Hansen
Last Residence: Norway |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/07/2016 : 02:29:01
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Here is a candidate for Olaf. Seems to match Sverre fairly well.
Olof Hanson
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Olof Hanson
Age in 1910: 24
Birth Year: abt 1886
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: Rockford Ward 2, Winnebago, Illinois
Street: 15th Avenue
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1905
Relation to Head of House: Lodger
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Laborer
Industry: Miner Works
Employer, Employee or Other: Wage Earner
Naturalization Status: Alien
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Out of Work: N
Number of weeks out of work: 0
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Gustafson 40
Ada Gustafson 40
Hazel Gustafson 16
Edna Gustafson 13
Oscar Anderson 18
Olof Hanson 24
Aaron Hawkinson 21
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/07/2016 : 02:35:03
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Matea seemed to have had quite a few childen but based on the 1910 Census posted earlier for Joseph, we should not be surprised. She states she had 14 childen, 12 of them living in 1910.
Mattie Hanson
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Mattie Hanson
Age in 1910: 46
Birth Year: abt 1864
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1910: Rockford Ward 2, Winnebago, Illinois
Street: 15th Street
House Number: 1529
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1905
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Native Tongue: Norwegian
Occupation: Private Nurse
Number of Children Born: 14
Number of Children Living: 12
Here are the twelve that we have found so far.
Amalie 1881
Harald 1882 Mikkel
Helga 1884 Karl
Gustav 1886 Karl
Sverre 1887 Karl
Vilhelm 1891 Karl
Josef 1893 Mikkel
Thora 1896
Emil 1897 Karl
Ragna 1899 Karl
Harriet 1901 Karl
Alexand 1903 Karl
Somethings do not add up, such as Josef with father Mikkel in the middle of all the childen with father named Karl
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vivi
Senior member
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Posted - 02/07/2016 : 02:43:55
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Hi
I have 13 children on my "list":
- Harald b. 18. april 1882 bapt. 27. aug. 1882 in Paulus
- Helga Caroline b. 8. april 1884 bapt. 12. oct 1884 in Grønland
- Gustav Kristian Hansen b. 13/1 1886 bapt. 7/11 1886 in Gamlebyen, conf. 1902 Vestre Bærum
- Sverre Hansen b. 13/11 1887 bapt. 15/2 1891 in Kampen church
- Vilhelm b. 1. may 1890 bapt. 15/2 1891 in Kampen
- Josef Marenius b. 14/4 1893 bapt. 22/5 1893 in Kampen church
- Emil b. 21. nov. 1897 bapt. 5. des. 1897 in Hamar church (Vang churchbook)
- Ragna Tolline b. 5 mar. 1899 bapt. 11. june 1899 in Vestre Bærum
- Harriet Karoline b. 30. jan. 1901 bapt. 12 may 1901 in Vestre Bærum
- Aleksander b. 4. july 1903 bapt. 4 oct. 1903 in Vestre Bærum
?Amalie ca 1881
? Wilhelm ca 1894
? Thora ca 1896 (according to obit. born 30. nov 1895 in Oslo)
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Josef Hansen b. 11 Apr 1890 Christiana
