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ScottEhrlich
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 Posted - 10/10/2016 : 00:06:01
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I am trying to validate if the November 1886 ship manifest for my great grand uncle, Samuel Cohen, arrived in NY 1886 per a 1910 Federal Census, is in fact my GG uncle.
The manifest notes his name, but not whom he is visiting, but I have no reason to believe it is not.
Anything I can do see if there are other pages to help prove this is or is not my relative?
Thank you.
Scott - srehrlich@gmail.com |
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AntonH
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Posted - 10/10/2016 : 03:46:36
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There is not a lot of information in the original manifests in years as early as 1886. The only information in thie original manifest for this Samuel Cohen arriving in New York in November of 1886 is his name Samuel Cohen, age 22, landlord and Russia. It does appear that traveling with Samuel is a lady Fanny ,21, female, wife. and Hinde?, 9/12, female, baby.
Samuel Cohen
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
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Name: Samuel Cohen
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Arrival Date: 30 Nov 1886
Birth Date: abt 1864
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Russian
Place of Origin: Russia
Port of Departure: Hamburg, Germany
Destination: New York
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Taormina
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AntonH
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Posted - 10/10/2016 : 04:11:18
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This might be the same Samuel Cohen in 1904 living at 170 Henry Street, NYC.
Samuel Cohen
in the New York, Index to Petitions for Naturalization filed in New York City, 1792-1989
Name: Samuel Cohen
Birth Date: Mar 1866
Age: 38
Naturalization Date: 9 Aug 1904
Former Nationality: Russian
Arrival Date: Nov 1886
Arrival Port: New York, New York
Title and Location of Court: US District Court, Brooklyn, New York
Volume: 61
Record Number: 239 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 10/10/2016 : 04:40:29
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Not sure the Samuel Cohen that I listed above is your Samuel Cohen, but if it is, here is some further information on his trip. from Ancstry.com
Samuel Cohen
in the Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934
Name: Samuel Cohen
Gender: männlich (Male)
Departure Age: 22
Occupation: Wirt
Birth Date: abt 1864
Residence: Kalwary, Russland (Russia)
Departure Date: 10 Nov 1886
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Port of Arrival: New York
Ship Name: Taormina
Captain: Frank
Shipping Clerk: Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft
Shipping line: Australia-Sloman-Linie, Hamburg
Ship Type: Dampfschiff
Ship Flag: Deutschland
Accommodation: Zwischendeck
Volume: 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 057 D
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Cohen 22
Fanny Cohen 21
Hinde Cohen 9 Monate
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jkmarler
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Posted - 10/10/2016 : 14:23:13
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I assume that this is the Samuel Cohen you mean (there are many dozens):
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5QX-ZFF
The actual census schedule also relates that he and his wife have each been married only once for 19 years. He came in 1886 and she came in 1888, so obviously did not travel together. Still the couple coming in 1886 might not be a married couple, nor even related.
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Edited by - jkmarler on 10/10/2016 14:26:21 |
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ScottEhrlich
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/10/2016 : 16:45:31
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This is the 1940 manifest, if it comes through
I think you mean 1910 and it is visible when you click on it. However the Samuel Cohen who arrived in Novemeber of 1886 posted above did have a wife named Fanny and chld named Hinda and the 1910 Samuel Cohen has a wife named Pauline and they were married in 1893 according to the 1910 Census. So what happened to Fanny and Hinda in the intervening years or did Fanny become Pauline. Pauliine is a little younger than the Fanny in the imigration record but not terribly so and she is also born in Russia so it is possible that the two are the same. Here is another look at the 1910 Census.
Sam Cohen
in the 1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Sam Cohen
Age in 1910: 45
[43]
[40]
Birth Year: abt 1865
[abt 1867]
[abt 1870]
Birthplace: Russia
Home in 1910: Brooklyn Ward 17, Kings, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1886
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Pauline Cohen
Father's Birthplace: Russia
Mother's Birthplace: Russia
Native Tongue: English
Occupation: Retail Merchant
Industry: Store
Employer, Employee or Other: Own Account
Home Owned or Rented: Rent
Farm or House: House
Naturalization Status: Papers
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Years Married: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Sam Cohen 45
[43]
[40]
Pauline Cohen 40
Dorothy Cohen 16
Beatrice Cohen 14
Jennie Cohen 11
Solomon Cohen 5
Gertrude B Cohen 1
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ScottEhrlich
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Posted - 10/10/2016 : 16:49:37
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Now, based on that last census, can anyone help locate Sam's US Citizenship paperwork? That would be golden!
Thank you very much.
Scott |
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AntonH
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Posted - 10/10/2016 : 19:09:29
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| How about the 1900 US Census? |
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ScottEhrlich
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Posted - 10/10/2016 : 19:31:31
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If the 1900 census can be found, that would be great as well!
I have tried my ancestry account, stevemorse and familysearch. Maybe I overlooked, or searched wrong, but no luck.
If you can find it, please help :-)
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 10/10/2016 : 20:26:51
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1900 US Census
Brooklyn Ward 19, Kings, New York
Samuel Cohen 32 b Jan 1868 Russia, married 1892, to USA 1886, NA (= naturalized citizen), tailor
Lena Cohen 30 b March 1870 Russia, married 8 years, to USA 1886, has had 3 children and 3 are living
Dora Cohen 7 b Jan 1893 New York
Berty Cohen 5 daughter b Mar 1895 New York
Jennie Cohen 1 b Feb 1899 New York
1915 New York State Census
New York, Kings
Samuel Cohen 45
Pauline Cohen 45
Beatrice Cohen 18
Jennie Cohen 16
Soloman Cohen 11
Gertrude Cohen 6 |
Edited by - JaneC on 10/10/2016 20:55:47 |
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ScottEhrlich
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Posted - 10/10/2016 : 20:31:28
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Would be great to see how far back we can go, NY or Federal, for census records.
Thanks.
Scott |
Edited by - ScottEhrlich on 10/10/2016 20:42:03 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 10/10/2016 : 22:36:02
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| I think that Jane has found the Samuel Cohen and famly that you pointed to in the 1910 US Census. However I still do not see a good connecton between that Samuel Cohen and the Samuel Cohen who arrived in November of 1886. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 10/10/2016 : 22:42:09
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This record would indicate that the mother of Gerturde was born Pauline Skyer
Samuel Cohen
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: Samuel Cohen
Gender: Male
Spouse: Pauline R Skyer
Child: Gertrude Pearl Krinsky
Gertrude Pearl Krinsky
in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Name: Gertrude Pearl Krinsky
[Gertrude P Krinsky]
[Gertrude Pearl Cohen]
SSN: 080323547
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 18 Nov 1908
Birth Place: Brooklyn, New York
[Brooklyn|]
Death Date: 9 Nov 2000
Father: Samuel Cohen
Mother: Pauline R Skyer
Citizenship or Alien Status: U.S. citizen.
Claim Date: 30 Aug 1973
Type of Claim: Duplicate SSN - change or replacement.
Signature on SSN Card: GERTRUDE PEARL COHEN
Additional Information: Duplicate request; evidence of identity only submitted.
Notes: 15 Jan 1986: Name listed as GERTRUDE PEARL KRINSKY; 23 Aug 1973: Name listed as GERTRUDE P KRINSKY |
Edited by - AntonH on 10/10/2016 22:43:18 |
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ScottEhrlich
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Posted - 11/10/2016 : 05:37:45
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Gertrude Krinsky was Sam Cohen's daughter. I have been in touch with her son. He did provide me with Sam's burial plot and date of death.
Thanks.
Scott |
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More details to the manifest?
