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BrandonPlaizier
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 Posted - 04/03/2018 : 03:37:55
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I seem to have hit a road block and cannot seem to go any wider or deeper. This is the earliest info I have.
Karl (Carl) Kristian Hagen (Kristiansen, Karlsen, Fredlund) Born July 11 1856 in Grorud, Oslo, Norway to parents Kristian Torstensen and Karen Sophie Johannesen. Married Alvilde Maksy (Maxy, Mazy) Juditte Sand (Antonsdatter) born July 12 1866 in Kristiania, Norway to parents Dr. Anton Julius Sand and Mathea Jensen Hoff.
I cannot seem to locate any birth records for them, nor info on siblings. I also cannot locate any reliable info on the parents or their siblings. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 04/03/2018 : 04:13:15
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Here is the confirmation of a Christian Tostensen born Feb 8, 1817 and confirmed in Grorud-Eje Oct 9, 1831. Parents are Tosten Eskildsen and Olie Gundersdatter
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Original confirmation record
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Baptism record from Ancestry.com
Christian Tostensen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Christian Tostensen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 7 feb 1817
Baptism Date: 23 feb 1817
Baptism Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Tosten Eskildsen
Mother: Olia Gundersdatter
FHL Film Number: 125840
Reference ID: Bk 15 p78 |
Edited by - AntonH on 04/03/2018 04:20:38 |
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BrandonPlaizier
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Posted - 04/03/2018 : 04:20:37
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Thanks but I wonder if 39 is a likely age to have had Karl. I have however added this record to my "shoe box" and may prove relevant as I found more corroboration. Thank you for taking the time to help.
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Here is the confirmation of a Christian Tostensen born Feb 8, 1817 and confirmed in Grorud-Eje Oct 9, 1831. Parents are Tosten Eskildsen and Olie Gundersdatter
Link
Original confirmation record
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AntonH
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Posted - 04/03/2018 : 04:56:43
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Have you looked at the original record.
#198
They were married in 1848k, Wife was only 22.
Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 21
Birth Date: 1827
Marriage Date: 7 jan 1848
Marriage Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Spouse: Christian Torstensen
FHL Film Number: 125844
Reference ID: Bk 27 pg 37
Original record shows him as age 31 when he married in 1848.
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The marriage record for him shows he was born in 1817.
Christian Torstensen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Christian Torstensen
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Birth Date: 1817
Marriage Date: 7 jan 1848
Marriage Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Torsten Eskildsen
Spouse: Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
FHL Film Number: 255733 |
Edited by - AntonH on 04/03/2018 05:23:40 |
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AntonH
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Posted - 04/03/2018 : 05:04:49
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Probably the baptism record for Karen Sophie
Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 4 nov 1826
Baptism Date: 26 nov 1826
Baptism Place: Vestre Aker, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Johannes Ingebrektsen
Mother: Marthe Andersdr
FHL Film Number: 125849
Reference ID: 2:1L7C09C
Probably another child for the couple
Gustav Martinius Christiansen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Gustav Martinius Christiansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 9 nov 1847
Baptism Date: 9 jan 1848
Baptism Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Christian Torstensen
Mother: Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
FHL Film Number: 255733
Reference ID: Vol 19 Book 1
And another sibling
Johanne Christiansdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Johanne Christiansdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 4 mar 1852
Baptism Date: 6 jun 1852
Baptism Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Christian Torstensen
Mother: Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
FHL Film Number: 125844
Reference ID: Bk 25 Pg 168
And another
Name: Maren Oline Christiansdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 16 mar 1850
Baptism Date: 5 mai 1850 (5 May 1850)
Baptism Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Christian Thorstenson
Mother: Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
FHL Film Number: 125844
Reference ID: Bk 25 Pg 75 |
Edited by - AntonH on 04/03/2018 05:09:15 |
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BrandonPlaizier
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Posted - 04/03/2018 : 05:29:36
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Very cool. Looks promising. You are awesome. Thank you.
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Probably the baptism record for Karen Sophie
Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 4 nov 1826
Baptism Date: 26 nov 1826
Baptism Place: Vestre Aker, Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Johannes Ingebrektsen
Mother: Marthe Andersdr
FHL Film Number: 125849
Reference ID: 2:1L7C09C
Probably another child for the couple
Gustav Martinius Christiansen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Gustav Martinius Christiansen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 9 nov 1847
Baptism Date: 9 jan 1848
Baptism Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Christian Torstensen
Mother: Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
FHL Film Number: 255733
Reference ID: Vol 19 Book 1
And another sibling
Johanne Christiansdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Johanne Christiansdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 4 mar 1852
Baptism Date: 6 jun 1852
Baptism Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Christian Torstensen
Mother: Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
FHL Film Number: 125844
Reference ID: Bk 25 Pg 168
And another
Name: Maren Oline Christiansdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 16 mar 1850
Baptism Date: 5 mai 1850 (5 May 1850)
Baptism Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Christian Thorstenson
Mother: Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
FHL Film Number: 125844
Reference ID: Bk 25 Pg 75
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Edited by - BrandonPlaizier on 04/03/2018 05:31:06 |
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BrandonPlaizier
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Posted - 04/03/2018 : 05:32:06
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I did not look closely. This seems spot on. You are a rockstar.
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Have you looked at the original record.
#198
They were married in 1848k, Wife was only 22.
Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 21
Birth Date: 1827
Marriage Date: 7 jan 1848
Marriage Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Spouse: Christian Torstensen
FHL Film Number: 125844
Reference ID: Bk 27 pg 37
Original record shows him as age 31 when he married in 1848.
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The marriage record for him shows he was born in 1817.
Christian Torstensen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Christian Torstensen
Gender: Male
Age: 31
Birth Date: 1817
Marriage Date: 7 jan 1848
Marriage Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Torsten Eskildsen
Spouse: Karen Sophie Johannesdatter
FHL Film Number: 255733
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AntonH
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Posted - 04/03/2018 : 05:38:58
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| The records were quite easily found, if you have access to Ancestry.com you should have found them without much trouble. |
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BrandonPlaizier
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Posted - 04/03/2018 : 05:48:46
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I use Ancestry.ca but same database. I also searched the Norwegian digital archives. Unsure how I missed them if they were easy finds. Thanks a ton though. Any chance you saw anything reliable on Alvildes side? 
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Originally posted by lyndal40
The records were quite easily found, if you have access to Ancestry.com you should have found them without much trouble.
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Edited by - BrandonPlaizier on 04/03/2018 14:42:09 |
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 04/03/2018 : 16:36:32
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Have you looked at the original record as Jackie suggested. Here I will help you out. Here is a link to the actual baptism record from 1866. Click on the 221 number.
#221
Here is how Ancestry.com has transcribed it.
Alvilde Maxy Juditte Sand
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Alvilde Maxy Juditte Sand
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 14 okt 1866 (14 Oct 1866)
Baptism Place: Trefoldighet, Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Anton Julius Sand
Mother: Mathea Johnsen Hoff
FHL Film Number: 255760
Reference ID: item 2 b 2 p 175 |
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BrandonPlaizier
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Posted - 04/03/2018 : 17:21:16
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Hello, I did look at the original record. It actually indicates he is a doctor. I imagine there are not a lot of Dr. Anton Julius Sands. I guess it is safe to assume.
Thanks Anton and Jackie. I have been able to get a bunch wider and deeper now on that side of the family. I realize I was making a simple mistake on Ancestry (there is a little button asking if I want to search all records or just Canada (where I am from) which I was not clicking). Again, thank you both.
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Have you looked at the original record as Jackie suggested. Here I will help you out. Here is a link to the actual baptism record from 1866. Click on the 221 number.
#221
Here is how Ancestry.com has transcribed it.
Alvilde Maxy Juditte Sand
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Alvilde Maxy Juditte Sand
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 14 okt 1866 (14 Oct 1866)
Baptism Place: Trefoldighet, Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Anton Julius Sand
Mother: Mathea Johnsen Hoff
FHL Film Number: 255760
Reference ID: item 2 b 2 p 175
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AntonH
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Posted - 04/03/2018 : 17:51:13
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You might look at this for the baptism record for the mother of Alvide. The name Juditte sticks out. Also matches the data Jackie posted.
Maren Juditte Jensdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Maren Juditte Jensdatter
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 31 okt 1839 (31 Oct 1839)
Baptism Date: 29 des 1839 (29 Dec 1839)
Baptism Place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Jens Syversen
Mother: Petra Eriksdatter
FHL Film Number: 125846
Reference ID: b. 36 p. 80
Has siblings
Anne Mathaea
Bernhard
Antonette Lovise
Sorine Emilie
Anthon Edward
Hans Jorgen
Jens Siversen married Petro Erichsdatter Dec 27, 1832.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 04/03/2018 : 19:20:44
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quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40
Have you looked at the original record as Jackie suggested. Here I will help you out. Here is a link to the actual baptism record from 1866. Click on the 221 number.
#221
Here is how Ancestry.com has transcribed it.
Alvilde Maxy Juditte Sand
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Alvilde Maxy Juditte Sand
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 14 okt 1866 (14 Oct 1866)
Baptism Place: Trefoldighet, Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Father: Anton Julius Sand
Mother: Mathea Johnsen Hoff
FHL Film Number: 255760
Reference ID: item 2 b 2 p 175
Actually what it says about Anton is that he "cand. md" he is studying for his medical license or what was the requirement back in the day. This also matches an obit found for the Dr at the Norwegian national library. From memory it says he was born in Nesne in 1844, studing medicine and received his degree in 1869. He married Sophie Augusta Stang and many children with her.
Maybe your Anton Julius Sand is related to the other Anton Julius Sand the lensmand (sheriff) in Trondhjem? Nope
But Alvilde had a full sister:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N42K-TM7 |
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