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michaelchangwong
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Australia
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 Posted - 06/08/2018 : 08:27:28
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I have relatives on my great-grandfather’s side of the family as well. There are, I was told, four possible spelling of the last name: Vang, Von, Wang and Vaughn (also Vingt, Vaugh...). There are three versions of the first name: Carl, Karl, and Carlos. If anyone could give me the correct spellings, that would be wonderful, and also where the name originated from. Our family name, Wong, originated from someone choosing the closest sound to “Vang”.
“Carl Vang” was born in the early to mid-1800s. He came to China as a sea merchant or captain and was a pilot sailing between China seaports of Shanghai, Port Arthur (now Lushun) and Hong Kong. He had resided in Harbin and Dalian, China, and visited Hong Kong frequently. He had four children. He returned to Norway with two daughters, both of whom we were told had blonde hair and blue eyes. It was rumoured he later left Norway and returned to work as a ship pilot, and was also an honorary consul or high official with the Norwegian Consulate in China. He was also rumoured to have died and been buried in Dalian, China. All cemeteries, records and the Norwegian consulate in Dalian were destroyed in the Chinese Cultural Revolution.
My great-grandfather, the first-born of Carl Vang, was born on February 6, 1870 in Dalian or Harbin, China. He moved to Hong Kong with Carl and mother. He later became the comprador of the Hongkong and Kowloon Wharf and Godown Company in Hong Kong, served in many directorships, committees, and was appointed a Justice of the Peace for the colony.
I have a photo of “Carl Vang”, which is attached (please right-click and select "Open Image in New Tab").
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Edited by - michaelchangwong on 21/09/2018 10:05:18 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2018 : 13:55:57
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The Norwegian Digitalarkivet has a digital set of information on pastoral acts performed in the Norwegian Seaman's mission churches which purports to contain acts from these places in China:
Anhwa
Changsha
Hong Kong
Ningsiang
Shanghai
Sinhwa
Taohwalun
Tungping
Yiyang
Yuankiang
However, I found no person named Carl (any spelling which would include Karl etc.) narrowed to China. Overall looking for any Carl / Karl in the whole base not limiting to China finds 163 Carls. It is possible that he is in the larger group using a different last name such as a patronymic name rather than a farm name.
Interesting problem.... |
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lynn peterson432
Medium member
USA
168 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2018 : 15:43:13
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| found a carl vang born1836 mariied dec 29 1862 skoger vestvold norway on family search |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2018 : 16:05:29
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You may want to do a thorough search at the Norwegian National Library site:
https://www.nb.no/search
In the newspapers (aviser) there was two mentioning a styrmand Carl Vang in Bergens Adressecontoirs Efteretningen. One was dated Friday 23 Jan 1863 on page 1 under a headline of Tvangsauktion (which Google translates as 'compulsory sale.")
"1. Endel guld og solv deponeret som baandfaart pant af Styrmand Carl Vang."
Which Google also translates as" part of gold and silver deposited as flat rate pledge of mate Carl Vang." |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/08/2018 : 20:07:04
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Carl Vang
What was the name of his wife and children? |
Edited by - jwiborg on 06/08/2018 20:34:32 |
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lynn peterson432
Medium member
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168 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2018 : 21:23:20
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| on family search there is a chinese collection of family genaologies 1259 -2014 you may want;;to look at that |
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michaelchangwong
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 07/08/2018 : 08:16:38
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| Thanks for the great help received so far. You people are just wonderful! |
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michaelchangwong
Starting member
Australia
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Posted - 07/08/2018 : 08:43:49
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Carl Vang
What was the name of his wife and children?
Thanks for making my submitted photo easier to access for everyone.
I understand that it might be more helpful to share more in the hope that the search can somewhat be narrowed, and I will share the information. "Carl Vang" had 4 children - one son (the first born) and three daughters. The son was born in Dalian, China. It is believed the three daughters were all born in Hong Kong. He took two daughters back to Norway with him. We don't have their names. However, Carl's son (my G-grandfather) and one daughter were left behind in Hong Kong with their mother. My G-grandfather Chinese name is Wong Kam Fuk: Wong is the surname, Kam Fuk is the first name. Carl called him "Charlie". The daughter name is Marie. The mother's name is Ng, which is likely to be a surname.
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Edited by - michaelchangwong on 07/08/2018 08:52:37 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2018 : 15:32:35
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Searching the Norwegian Digital Archives for females born in China between 1860-1890, residing in Norway gives the following 6 results:
1. Dagny Major, (b 1868 in Saigon, Cochin, China.) Parents Fredrik Christian Seiersted Major & Ditlevine Nathalie Dovra Major. Major is family name.
2. Grace Wallem, (b 1877-NOV-16, Shanghai, China). Wallem is married name.
3. Hanna Therese Margrethe Daae, (b 1883-OCT-21, Chefos, China). Daae is family name.
4. Harriet Mary Helland Madsen, (b 1868-SEP-13, Hong Kong, China). Madsen is married name.
5. Lissy Bull (b. 1886-09-23, China). Bull is family name.
6. Olava Margrethe Schjøth (b 1886-NOV-17, China). 23, China). Schjøth is family name. |
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michaelchangwong
Starting member
Australia
10 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2018 : 16:11:28
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Originally posted by jwiborg
Searching the Norwegian Digital Archives for females born in China between 1860-1890, residing in Norway gives the following 6 results:
1. Dagny Major, (b 1868 in Saigon, Cochin, China.) Parents Fredrik Christian Seiersted Major & Ditlevine Nathalie Dovra Major. Major is family name.
2. Grace Wallem, (b 1877-NOV-16, Shanghai, China). Wallem is married name.
3. Hanna Therese Margrethe Daae, (b 1883-OCT-21, Chefos, China). Daae is family name.
4. Harriet Mary Helland Madsen, (b 1868-SEP-13, Hong Kong, China). Madsen is married name.
5. Lissy Bull (b. 1886-09-23, China). Bull is family name.
6. Olava Margrethe Schjøth (b 1886-NOV-17, China). 23, China). Schjøth is family name.
Grateful for your help here, jwiborg. One of my Aunts think it might have been a girl and a boy Carl took back to Norway. Can you please search for males as well? |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/08/2018 : 16:19:10
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Nordahl Ericksen Wallem, born 1902, a son of Grace Jansen and Haakon Wallem, was a pupil at a Bergen school in 1917 (record found at National Digital Archives). He had been living in Hong Kong when he died:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/15/pa00000000720829
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2018 : 16:25:10
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Kina is the Norwegian word for China.
Males, any name, born 1860 - 1890 in Kina:
link
In some cases, birth place is noted as "China," and other place names might apply as well.
Search portal:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2018 : 16:32:40
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| According to the newspaper Aftenposten on 13 April 1962 page 17, Grace Wallem died on 10 April 1962. Survivors include: Nordahl and Blanche Wallem and Rita and Arne Steckmest. There might be others but this is what is in the extent of OCR read, somebody with the right IP address might find more. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 07/08/2018 : 16:34:50
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Males born in China between 1860-1890, residing in Norway:
1. Antonio Amundsen b 1866, Macao, China
2. Oscar Ulderup Bøe b 1868, Hong Kong China
3. Anton Ohlsen b 1870, China
4. Alfred Bonde b 1872-Dec-14, Shanghai, China
5. Ayo b 1876, China
6. Lorents Segelcke Daae b 1876-Dec-10, China
7. August Daae b 1878, China
8. Jacob Gerstenberg b 1878-Sep-01, Amoy, China
9. A. Pan b 1880, China
10. Afo/Andreas Tangva b 1880-Jul-17, Kantong China
11. Torbjørn Steinert b 1883-Mar-25, China
12. Hans Hauge Schjøth b 1885/1886-Sep-06, China
13. Erik Schjøth b 1888, China
14. Sam. M. Bull b 1890-Mar-22, China
15. Thomas Hammer Schlytter Schjøth b 1890-Mar-16, China
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 07/08/2018 : 16:36:47
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The reason that Grace is of interest, is that if Carl was Carl Jansen Vang, she could possibly be a daughter. A long shot, but she isn't ruled out. Both Nordahl and Rita applied for vehicle permits in Bergen:
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The nickname "Charlie" is of interest, as that is a nickname for the name Carl. Any slip of info from China or from the family might help, maybe. |
Edited by - JaneC on 07/08/2018 16:49:50 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2018 : 16:47:59
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According to Aftenposten on 5 July 1926 page 5: survivors of Karen Bull who died 5 July 1926 are Lissy Bull, Rosario Bull, Samuel M Bull, t Roldfin, Edie Bugge, Th Bugge, Emely Bull and Christen... There ends OCR read.
A Lissy Bull of Tønberg also married a ship captain Otto Bull of Tenvik according to an article in 1934. Not sure if the article is announcing the beginning or the end the marriage. |
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Searching for g-g-grandfather d.o.b. 1820s-1840s
