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lynn peterson432
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 Posted - 20/09/2018 : 05:52:15
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/09/2018 : 16:50:53
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Tore, on the protokol listing from Hedmark, are any of the adults with the same patronymics related that you know of?
Jens Hansen to Maria Hansdatter, Berte Hansdatter or Martine if she is Hansdatter
Marie Larsdatter to Malene Larsdatter
Even Christopherson to Ole Christopherson |
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jkmarler
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ToreL
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Posted - 20/09/2018 : 22:13:13
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Thanks for the input, but I agree, Mr Wicks is likely not the target.
But he is also a reminder that there is no gurantee that the patronymic will have to show up. Sometimes it gives way to a place name. Unfortunately there are quite a number of place names to choode from in this case (see above) but none of them resemble Wicks or Week.
Concerning possible family relationships in the list beyond the core families: As yet I don’t know much about it, but Ole and Even Christophersen were the sons of different Christophers. Martine listed below «maiden» («pige») Berte was her daughter out of wedlock. |
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lynn peterson432
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Posted - 21/09/2018 : 02:00:44
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Originally posted by ToreL
A group from Ringsaker counting 17 named adults plus twenty-some unnamed children were entered as emigrants headed for Wisconsin in the Hedmark passport protocol on May 5, 1858.
I have found no trace of the group between these protocol entries and the US census of 1870, where eight members of the group appear to be living in the town of Neshonoe (pop. 869) in Lacrosse county, Wisconsin.
This table contains a list of the 17 emigrants with the eight census matches.
The last couple in the list were my ancestors Jens Hansen (b. Jan. 13, 1813) and wife Marie Larsdatter (bapt. May 14, 1816), who were travelling with children Mathias (b. June 7, 1844), Christian (b. Feb 3, 1848) and Kirstine/Kjerstine (b. Feb. 4, 1856), while their eldest son Johannes, my ancestor, born in 1842, before the couple was married, stayed behind in Norway.
I have found no trace of this family in America, and would appreciate any help in tracing them. I have had no luck searching in the 1860 census. The town of Neshonoe does, as far as I can determine, not appear in the 1860 census.
Tore Langholm
jens and marie hansen could have died before 1860 |
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ToreL
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Posted - 21/09/2018 : 21:58:46
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There seems to be a mistake in the 1858 passport protocol, or at least in the transcription; there is no scanned version available on the Internet:
The couple Ole Thomessen (37) and Agnete Amundsdatter (31 1/2) is listed with a surprisingly old son Tollev, 14 years old. Now I just discovered that the emigrant list (as well as baptism) in the churchbook sets his age to less than five. Hence there is finally a full match with the family found by lyndal40 in the 1870 (and later) census of Holland, La Crosse, Wisconsin. I have updated the emigrant list accordingly.
So now there are just two married couples from the 5/5 1858 entries in the passport protocol that are not accounted for in the 1870 census. Above, jwiborg posted two websites containing soldier profiles, and there I found the following about one Even Christopherson.
Even Christopherson was born in Norway. He joined the WI 15th Infantry, Company E. The men of the company called themselves "Odin's Rifles."
The army listed Christopherson as living in Onalaska, La Crosse County (or Ettrick, Trempealeau County), WI, age 39, a farmer, and married. He had blue eyes, light brown hair, fair complexion, and stood 5’8”. He enlisted for three years on February 10, 1864 at La Crosse, WI, and he mustered at La Crosse the same day as a Private (Menig). He joined the company at Knoxville, TN. He was promoted to Sergeant (Sersjant). On July 8, 1864, he was sent to Division Hospital in Nashville, TN. He transferred to Company H at Whiteside, TN; was temporarily assigned to the WI 24th Infantry on February 13, 1865; and transferred to I Company of the WI 13th on June 10, 1865. He died on October 15, 1865 in the 3rd Brigade, 2nd Division, hospital in San Antonio, TX. His grandson, Christian Christopherson filed a pension on January 31, 1866.
This account makes him a couple of years younger than "our" Even, and in this case it appears that the passport protocol has got it right. Interestingly, the passport protocol also gives a physical description to check against: Middels av statur, blå øyne, lyst hår, ingen særkjennetegn. (Medium hight, blue eyes, fair hair, no special characteristics.) |
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ToreL
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Posted - 30/09/2018 : 09:25:20
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I have now searched the records from the Registry of the Land Office, and have found the following seven purchases of lots in a small area north east of Onalaska, made between July of 1859 and May of 1861. Six of them look like excellent candidates for the six families that are already accounted for, while John Hansen is, admittedly, a somewhat far-fetched candidate for my Jens Hansen. I have numbered the purchases chronologically, and entered the corresponding numbers on the map.
- Hans Johnson July 1 1859
- Engobret Olsen June 1 1860
- John Simensen June 1 1860
- Ole Thompson June 1 1860
- John Hansen Aug 1 1860
- Even Christophersen Jan 1 1861
- Ole Christopherson May 1 1861
This map accounts for the fact that the 1870 census lists the Thompson family among the inhabitants of the neighboring town of Holland, which was (is) to the west of Neshonoc and (not surprisingly) incorporates New Amsterdam.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/09/2018 : 12:43:26
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There are a total of 4 John Hanson citations from the 1860 census of Lacrosse county wisconsin. This is the one closest in age to Jens but the children's birthplaces don't comport with the travel of the target family:
John Hanson M 49 Norway
Force Hanson M 19 Norway
Helena Hanson F 16 Norway
Rachel Hanson F 14 Norway
Hans Hanson M 12 Norway
Christine Hanson F 9 Norway
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1860", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW9S-6P4 : 12 December 2017), John Hanson, 1860.
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ToreL
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Posted - 30/09/2018 : 13:56:17
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Here are pages 103-109 from a church book for the La Crosse Valley congregation of the Evangelical Lutheral Church of America, with a list of congregation members from before 1861 and several years on: p103, p105, p107, p109. Engebret Olsen Stigen and Hans Johannesen Sørumstuen are listed right after each other on page 103. I have been in contact with Hans Myhre, a genealogist with local knowledge about Ringsaker farms, who confirms that these names could plausably have been used by our Engebret Olsen and Hans Johannesen. There is also an Even Kristoffersen on page 103, and one Marthe Stigen on page 105, possibly Engebret Olsen's daughter Marthe born in 1842. There is also one Pernille Johannesdatter on page 107, possibly John Simensen's daughter Pernille born in 1836.
I also found one Ole Kristoffersen Hagestuen with wife/widow Marie Hagestuen on page 105, candidates for the Ole Kristoffersen/ Marie Hansdatter pair, but unfortunately not very good candidates, as the name Hagestuen apparently does not point towards Ringsaker at all. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 30/09/2018 : 17:38:41
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Here is the only other John Hanson found in 1860 Census anywhere close to your Jens Hansen other than the one posted in above by Jackie from Buchanan, La Crosse, Wisconsin. For this one the birth year is off by ten. Andrew and John born in Norway and rest born in Wisconsin.
John Hanson
in the 1860 United States Federal Census
Name: John Hanson
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1820
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Norway
Home in 1860: Onalaska, La Crosse, Wisconsin
Post Office: La Crosse
Dwelling Number: 2129
Family Number: 1808
Occupation: Laborer
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hanson 40
Martha Hanson 38
Andrew Hanson 9
John Hanson 7
Ole Hanson 6
Mary Hanson 4
Helena Hanson 2
I thought perhaps that if John Hanson was in the Army for the Civil War during 1960 he might not be at home from the Census, however there are no other Hanson family in Onalaska in the 1860 Census.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 30/09/2018 : 18:27:54
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Here is the only other John Hanson found in 1860 Census anywhere close to your Jens Hansen other than the one posted in above by Jackie from Buchanan, La Crosse, Wisconsin. For this one the birth year is off by ten. Andrew and John born in Norway and rest born in Wisconsin.
John Hanson
in the 1860 United States Federal Census
Name: John Hanson
Age: 40
Birth Year: abt 1820
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Norway
Home in 1860: Onalaska, La Crosse, Wisconsin
Post Office: La Crosse
Dwelling Number: 2129
Family Number: 1808
Occupation: Laborer
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hanson 40
Martha Hanson 38
Andrew Hanson 9
John Hanson 7
Ole Hanson 6
Mary Hanson 4
Helena Hanson 2
I thought perhaps that if John Hanson was in the Army for the Civil War during 1960 he might not be at home from the Census, however there are no other Hanson family in Onalaska in the 1860 Census.
Start date of American Civil War is 12 April 1861, so events like the census which occured in 1860 doesn't comport....
The birthdate and places of the children in the family mentioned above don't comport well with the target:
John Hanson M 40 Norway
Martha Hanson F 38 Norway
Andrew Hanson M 9 Norway
John Hanson M 7 Norway
Ole Hanson M 6 Wisconsin
Mary Hanson F 4 Wisconsin
Helena Hanson F 2 Wisconsin
Citing this Record
"United States Census, 1860", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW9S-L19 : 12 December 2017), John Hanson, 1860.
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NancyC
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Posted - 12/02/2021 : 20:56:35
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| Veldre historielag has started documenting emigrants from Veldre parish, with some spillover into Ringsaker parish. I wonder if Tore Langholm has figured out where Jens and Marie from Langkloppen ended up. If so, we hope you will share the information with us! |
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ToreL
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Posted - 14/02/2021 : 19:44:00
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Originally posted by NancyC
Veldre historielag has started documenting emigrants from Veldre parish, with some spillover into Ringsaker parish. I wonder if Tore Langholm has figured out where Jens and Marie from Langkloppen ended up. If so, we hope you will share the information with us!
Sorry, but I have nothing new to report. Encouraging to hear about the project that Veldre Historielag is starting up, though. I will try to stay informed about your progress. (Just signed up for membership...) |
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ToreL
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Posted - 20/10/2021 : 20:44:18
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I take the opportunity, at this quiet time at the site, to revive this old thread. My ancestors Jens Hansen and Marie Larsdatter left Ringsaker for America in 1858. Their oldest son stayed behind and secured a family branch back here, to which I belong.
I have found no trace of then in America, and thought that perhaps if I followed a group of people who left the same parish at the same time, I would perhaps come across my family as well.
No luck so far, but today I focused on a 20-year old, unmarried girl who apparently travelled alone; Agnete Johannesdatter Flisaker, born June 22, 1838. Parents Johannes Pedersen and Marthe Eriksdatter.
Now I wonder if she might have ended up in Jackson County, Minnesota. At Findagrave, there is this Agnete Johannesdatter Jellesed born in 1838 on the 22nd of some month, quite possibly June. ("Juni.") Or what does it look like to others?
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL
A group from Ringsaker counting 17 named adults plus twenty-some unnamed children were entered as emigrants headed for Wisconsin in the Hedmark passport protocol on May 5, 1858.
I have found no trace of the group between these protocol entries and the US census of 1870, where eight members of the group appear to be living in the town of Neshonoe (pop. 869) in Lacrosse county, Wisconsin.
This table contains a list of the 17 emigrants with the eight census matches.
The last couple in the list were my ancestors Jens Hansen (b. Jan. 13, 1813) and wife Marie Larsdatter (bapt. May 14, 1816), who were travelling with children Mathias (b. June 7, 1844), Christian (b. Feb 3, 1848) and Kirstine/Kjerstine (b. Feb. 4, 1856), while their eldest son Johannes, my ancestor, born in 1842, before the couple was married, stayed behind in Norway.
I have found no trace of this family in America, and would appreciate any help in tracing them. I have had no luck searching in the 1860 census. The town of Neshonoe does, as far as I can determine, not appear in the 1860 census.
Tore Langholm
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Edited by - ToreL on 20/10/2021 20:48:08 |
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AntonH
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Group of 40+ emigrants from Ringsaker to Wisconsin
