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MichelleAiken
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Posted - 01/01/2019 :  23:30:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello I am looking for info on the immediate family of Maren Karine Matthiasdatter born 28 Jan 1857 in Våle/Vaale parish, Vestfold county, Norway. Parents are Mathias Pedersen of Teigen of Ramnes, lives Kjølsrud; Maid KAREN SOFIE JØRGENSDATTER, Veierud. I need information on who the rest of their children were and who their grandchildren and great grandchildren where/are. I understand that Karen Sofie had a daughter named Hanna with a different father. I specifically need info on who Hannas father was and who her children and grandchildren are. If anyone can help it would be much appreciated. Takk!

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AntonH
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Posted - 02/01/2019 :  02:53:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the 1865 Census for Maren and her mother. No father listed and no other children listed.

1865

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AntonH
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Posted - 02/01/2019 :  02:57:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This is likely the baptism record for the Hanna you are seeking. Father is listed as Hans Jorgen Bugge

Hanna Hansen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Hanna Hansen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 22 jan 1866
Baptism Date: 21 feb 1866
Baptism Place: Vaale,Vestfold,Norway
Father: Hans Jorgen Bugge
Mother: Karen Sofie Jorgensdr

The baptism record above does not match the original record. The original record shows her baptism date as April 8, 1866. She is listed as being born out of wedlock.

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Edited by - AntonH on 02/01/2019 03:16:57
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Hopkins
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Posted - 02/01/2019 :  03:01:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maren was born out of wedlock in 1857 and by the 1865 census as shown just above - her mother is not married to Mathias. Any other children appears to be quite unlikely for that couple.


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MichelleAiken
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Posted - 02/01/2019 :  03:05:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok so I have the correct father down for Hanna so that's good. Can you find out who Hannas children are?

Michelle Aiken
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AntonH
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Posted - 02/01/2019 :  03:18:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is probably the marriage record for Hanna.

Hanna Hansen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Hanna Hansen
[Hanna Bugge]
Gender: Female
Age: 27
Birth Date: 22 jan 1866
Marriage Date: 3 nov 1893
Marriage Place: Nøtterøy, Vestfold, Norway
Father: Hans Jorgen Bugge
Spouse: Hans Henrik Hansen
FHL Film Number: 278240
Reference ID: bk 3

One child

Kamilla Sofie Hansen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Kamilla Sofie Hansen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 1894
Baptism Date: 1894
Baptism Place: Nøtterøy, Vestfold, Norway
Father: Hans Henrik Hansen
Mother: Hanna Hansdatter
FHL Film Number: 1282550
Reference ID: PG9 83

Here is the family in the 1900 Norwegian Census, The link to the 1910 Census shows one new child Jenny born in 1901.

1900

#9 Jenny

#18 Harald

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Hopkins
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Posted - 02/01/2019 :  03:19:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another child born out of wedlock to Karen Sofie and with a man who is about 66 years old and just one year earlier in the 1865 census is a married man already.
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=f60716&gardpostnr=91&sokefelt=skjul
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Hopkins
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Posted - 02/01/2019 :  03:29:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Michelle -- Try checking the records indexed in FamilySearch.org for marriages and children of these persons. It is free.
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MichelleAiken
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Posted - 03/01/2019 :  06:01:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hopkins I'm not sure what this says? Could you do a translation for me? The child was born to Karen Sofie and a man married to someone else?

Michelle Aiken
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MichelleAiken
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Posted - 03/01/2019 :  06:06:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've tried family search they don't really have much of anything on the family besides what I've already added on there

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MichelleAiken
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Posted - 03/01/2019 :  06:09:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
lyndal40 who is Herald? Can you translate the info available for Jenny and Jerald? Thanks a bunch guys

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MichelleAiken
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Posted - 03/01/2019 :  06:47:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did Kamilla Sofie Hansen pass away at a young age? I can't find any more records other then the baptism...

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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/01/2019 :  10:05:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lyndal40

This is likely the baptism record for the Hanna you are seeking. Father is listed as Hans Jorgen Bugge

Hanna Hansen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Hanna Hansen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 22 jan 1866
Baptism Date: 21 feb 1866
Baptism Place: Vaale,Vestfold,Norway
Father: Hans Jorgen Bugge
Mother: Karen Sofie Jorgensdr

The baptism record above does not match the original record. The original record shows her baptism date as April 8, 1866. She is listed as being born out of wedlock.

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It does sort of match. The home baptism occurred on 21 Feb 1866, the church baptism occurred on 8 April 1866. Yes, she is uægte, illegitimate, which appears in the column to the right, after her name. Her parents are identified as a "gift mand" married man and "pige" girl or unmarried female. It appears to say that this is the mother's 3rd leiermal, indiscretion, and with two other dates, probably of births 29 Dec 1863 and 9 April 1857.
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MichelleAiken
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Posted - 03/01/2019 :  10:09:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did Karen Sofie ever marry?!

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jkmarler
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Posted - 03/01/2019 :  10:11:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MichelleAiken

Did Kamilla Sofie Hansen pass away at a young age? I can't find any more records other then the baptism...



A good thing to do would be to check the actual records for a confirmation for her. Most are confirmed at about 15 years of age. Then if you don't find her, search the actual records for a death or a move to another place. There are very few confirmation records transcribed at familysearch, so the original records would be more valuable for this research. Otherwise what records for her have you searched?
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MichelleAiken
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Posted - 03/01/2019 :  10:13:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I just did an all records search on Ancestry.com

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