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billhughes
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 Posted - 18/07/2020 : 18:47:54
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First of all I would like to thank all members of this forum who have taken the trouble to research my ancestors for me. Also please accept my sincere apologies for the wrong information regarding the Klausen / Martha Elida / Moss Ostfold link. This was supplied from a well meaning family member. As you knowledgeable members have managed to work out the correct marriage for Mathine was to Ole Kristian Andreasen in Stokke.
My next quest is to track down any living family in the Stokke area. I know the family were in the area in the 1950s because some letters were written. One thing I did unearth in my notes, from several years ago, was a reference to a 1858 christening for a daughter of Nicolai and Oliana called Nicoline Gs film number 278253 batch number C42169-3 but she does not appear anywhere else so I assume she died prior to the 1865 census. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 18/07/2020 : 23:31:17
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My next quest is to track down any living family in the Stokke area. I know the family were in the area in the 1950s because some letters were written. One thing I did unearth in my notes, from several years ago, was a reference to a 1858 christening for a daughter of Nicolai and Oliana called Nicoline Gs film number 278253 batch number C42169-3 but she does not appear anywhere else so I assume she died prior to the 1865 census.
This is likely her death record.
Number 73
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051018010894
Death date is Oct 3, 1862. 4 1/2 years old.
The farm attached to her looks like Raastad. Which is where we found her parents in the 1865 Census. |
Edited by - AntonH on 18/07/2020 23:46:45 |
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AntonH
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billhughes
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/07/2020 : 13:37:44
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| Thanks for that Lyndal confirms my hunch she died pre 1865 census. That leaves Mathine as the only child of Ole and Oliana surviving into the 20th century so it must have been one of her family who wrote the letters in the 1950s. Tonsberg is mentioned and as its very close to Raastad farm it is possible they moved to Tonsberg in the early 1900s. In the UK we have whats called the Electoral Roll which lists everyone entitled to vote does Norway have anything similar ? |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/07/2020 : 16:38:28
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ToreL
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Norway
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Posted - 19/07/2020 : 18:05:19
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Apologies if this is already known, but the Martine born in 1889 with parents Martine and Ole Kristian, was born on Nov 19th, and on Gravminner at disnorge.no there is exactly one Martine born on that day in 1889, namely Marthine Pedersen who died on Nov 19th ( ie her birthday) in 1977, and was buried at nedre Stokke cemetary in Sandefjord.
Judging from the nearby graves, the husband may have been Lars Malfred Pedersen (1890-1955).
I also found a newspaper notice about Martine Pedersen in Stokke transferring a property to her daughter Aud Wiersholm. |
Edited by - ToreL on 19/07/2020 19:08:19 |
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jkmarler
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ToreL
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AntonH
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ToreL
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Posted - 20/07/2020 : 00:05:54
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| Descendants are still living in the area. I sent the thread starter a private message. |
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jkmarler
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billhughes
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Posted - 20/07/2020 : 18:31:37
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This is the easy bit.The letters have been lost in the passage of time. They were posted to my family in Australia and as they emigrated in 1953 the letters must have been sent after 1953. My cousin there has a memory of a postcard of the bridge in Tonsberg with the comment " this is our bridge but its not as grand as your bridge" possibly a reference to Sydney Harbour Bridge. I would guess it was sent by Aud as her children would have been quite young in the 1950s.
Now the hard bit. My brain has been in meltdown trying to work all the information you kind people have supplied. This is what Ive worked out, please forgive me if Ive made any stupid mistakes
Mathine daughter of Ole and Oliana married Ole Kristian Andreasen around 1880
They had 1 daughter also called Marthine born1889 and she died in 1977 in Stokke
The second Marthine B1889 married Lars Melfred Pedersen and had 1 daughter called Aud Pedersen to whom she left her property. Was this Raastd farm or a property in Veer ?
Aud married Conrad Wiersholm they had 3 daughters Anne Britt, IngaJohanne, and Elisabeth and 1 son called Paal Conrad. I cannot work out what year they married or the years the children were born
Anne Britt I assume married Olsteen Gauslaa
Inga Johanne married Bernt-Jorgon Barosen
Elisabeth married either Anders Grini or Victor Haugerud
The articles about Paal Conrad Wiersholm I find confusing where does Grini come from ? Is that linked to Anders Grini ?
One other query what is the link to Mathine Olsen ( could it be Olsdatter daughter of Ole ) in 1910 census. Like I said Ive found it difficult to get my head around all the informaation.
Thanks Torel lets see if there is any response.
I need a rest now and eat some brain food
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AntonH
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Posted - 20/07/2020 : 20:33:06
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One other query what is the link to Mathine Olsen ( could it be Olsdatter daughter of Ole ) in 1910 census. Like I said Ive found it difficult to get my head around all the informaation.
A lot of information to digest, I would admit. For the above question. Yes, we are assuming that Marthine Olsen is the same person as Marthine Olsdatter. She has moved away from home and is working as a servant girl in the home of Karl Julius Arnesen in the city of Tønsberg, Vestfold. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/07/2020 : 21:03:20
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| The Paul Conrad Wiersholm Grini would be a grandchild of Aud Pedersen Wiersholm and son of Elisabeth Wiersholm who married Anders Grini and Paal was born in the 70s. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 20/07/2020 : 21:12:01
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Going back to children of Ole Kristian and Martine in the 1891 census, #136 Ludvig
SAKO, Stokke kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0009: Parish register (official) no. I 9, 1872-1883, p. 120
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061107320374
Ludvig moved to California:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000589332
And again to US in 1924:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000560141
Olga Marie #25 bottom half of page b 28 Sept 1884:
SAKO, Stokke kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0010: Parish register (official) no. I 10, 1884-1903, p. 3
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060628080229
Olga at work in 1910 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01036488000141
Clara Olava #between 33 and 34 b 16 Oct 1887:
SAKO, Stokke kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0010: Parish register (official) no. I 10, 1884-1903, p. 13
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060628080241
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Stokke Vestfold or Moss Ostfold ancestors
