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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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 Posted - 30/01/2022 : 08:06:14
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Ove Nilsen and Andrianna Olsdtr married in 1869 and left shortly after to go to America. They ended up in Norwegian Grove area in Otter Tail County, Minnesota.
I have looked for their transatlantic travel records in Ancestry and FamilySearch but have not been able to find, so I ask for your assistance to find the name and landing place of their ship.
Here is the link to them in the Trondheim police list:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9/og00000000046196
Other facts about Ove Nilsen:
Parish register (official) no. 746A04 Stod parish Stod (Forr) local parish, Følling local parish, Kvam local parish, Egge local parish 1826 - 1846
Parish register (official) no. 746A05 Stod parish Stod (Forr) local parish, Følling local parish, Kvam local parish, Egge local parish 1846 - 1859
#10 baptism male
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Nord-Trøndelag, SAT/A-1458/746/L0445Parish register (official) no. 746A04, 1826-1846, p. 10
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070927680441
Ove’s vaccination:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/315/pz00000000251542
#4 confirmation male
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Nord-Trøndelag, SAT/A-1458/746/L0446Parish register (official) no. 746A05, 1846-1859, p. 103
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050504020647
Parish register (official) no. 768A05 Namsos parish Namsos local parish, Vemundvik local parish, Klinga (Sævik) local parish 1865 - 1874
Marriage #6
SAT, Ministerialprotokoller, klokkerbøker og fødselsregistre - Nord-Trøndelag, SAT/A-1458/768/L0570Parish register (official) no. 768A05, 1865-1874, p. 185
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20050503030349
His age in the marriage record is a bit of a puzzle, but most records in US are consistent with 1831 birth year. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/01/2022 : 18:41:26
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I have not yet found Ove and his wife but I may have found a ship worth exploring further. A person Joh. Peter Haugen bought his contract on April 8. Ove and wife bought on April 1.
Here is Joh Peter Haugen leaving Trondheim
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000046205
Here is his arrival
Johan P Haugen
in the Canada, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Johan P Haugen
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 39
Birth Year: abt 1830
Arrival Date: Apr 1869
Arrival Port: Canada
Vessel: Nova Scotian
https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/7271003:1263?tid=&pid=&queryId=031cbbcb3a8a5308aec5a265a0fd6b4c&_phsrc=ySI1&_phstart=successSource
I have looked for about ten other passengers leaving about the same time as Ove and wife but this is the only one I was able to find.
I also took a quick look at the page where Johan Haugen is listed but a harder look at that page and other near it might be worthwhile.
Pages for the Nova Scotian seem to run from page 68 to page 86. |
Edited by - AntonH on 30/01/2022 20:16:16 |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 30/01/2022 : 20:19:57
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Going back from the Nova Scotian is the ship Ottawa which arrived on April 15.
The Nova Scotian arrived on April 20. |
Edited by - AntonH on 30/01/2022 20:21:57 |
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AntonH
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7765 Posts |
Posted - 31/01/2022 : 06:56:53
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| Thanks Anton for assist! |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 31/01/2022 : 18:51:11
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My guess is that they would have arrived Quebec around April 18th.
In 1869; agent Chr. Henrichsen (Montreal-Ocean-Dampskibsselskap) had a steamer going from Trondheim to England every friday.
Twice weekly they had a connection with a steamer going Liverpool - Quebec.
Estimated dates:
02.04.1869 Leaving Trondheim
04.04.1869 Leaving Bergen
08.04.1869 Leaving Liverpool
18.04.1869 Arriving Quebec
It must be one of these ships:
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Edited by - jwiborg on 31/01/2022 19:20:05 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/01/2022 : 19:15:07
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| Many thanks for that. I've been reading the Allan passenger lists at the Canadian archives online. Have read Nestorian, Germany, Nova Scotian, Ottawa, Prussian. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/01/2022 : 19:36:56
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Yes Jackie that is about the same list I came up with. Looking at those manifests they are a tough read. That is why the transcriptions are so unreliable.
If you can find the ship for a person very close to the record for Ove and then look through the manifests page by page you have a shot at finding him.
Not an easy task. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 31/01/2022 : 20:32:40
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I believe they should be found on the Peruvian, arriving April 20th. (99.99 % sure  )
The train to Chicago took 4 days, so Ove & Andrianna would have arrived in Chicago on Saturday April 24th. Certainly good to arrive after traveling for 3 weeks, incl seasickness...
If they didn't make it to Liverpool for the Peruvian departure on April 8th, they should have travelled on the Nestorian, dept. the following week.
Some of the passengers:
The Allan Line steamers left Quebec every saturday, headed for Liverpool. It seems they returned to Liverpool about 10 days after arrival.
Hibernian left Quebec Saturday April 3rd
Austrian left Quebec Saturday April 10th
Moravian left Quebec Saturday April 17th. (Arrived Q. april 5th.)
North American left Quebec Saturday April 24th (Arrived Q. april 14th.)
Peruvian left Quebec Saturday May 1st (Arrived Q. april 20th.)
Nestorian left Quebec Saturday May 8th
Nova Scotian left Quebec Saturday May 15th
Prussian left Quebec Saturday May 22th
Austrian left Quebec Saturday May 29th
European left Quebec Saturday June 5th
Morovian left Quebec Friday June 11th
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Edited by - jwiborg on 01/02/2022 00:49:46 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 01/02/2022 : 12:59:46
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| Many thanks Jan! |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/02/2022 : 08:57:23
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Here are the ships and arrivals at Quebec in the very first part of 1869:
Nestorian 26 April
Germany 29 April
Ottawa 30 April
Nova Scotian 30 April
Prussian 4 May
St David 6 May
Apparently no lists for any arrival prior to 26 April 1869 at Quebec survived to be filmed or mounted online. Looking at a number of the years a good number only begin with May arrivals. |
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AntonH
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Posted - 02/02/2022 : 17:05:21
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| Yes, same thing I found. The first manifest for the ship Peruvian in the Ancestry.com data base for 1869, arrived on May 20th. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 02/02/2022 : 19:09:48
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I think the Allan-ships went to Portland, Maine, instead of Quebec in the first months of 1869?
Ref the previous screenshot from The Portland daily press, April 15, 1869:
"The Peruvian, Capt. Ballantine, is the next steamer due at this port, and the last one for this present season"
So Peruvian's arrival on April 20th was the last one in Portland for spring 1869, and the next one (Nestorian), was the first one to go directly to Quebec in spring 1869.
Thus:
Arrivals in Port of Portland, Maine:
Hibernian Arrived March 24th.
Austrian Arrived March 30th. Dept Liverpool March 18.
Moravian Arrived April 5th
North American Arrived April 14th
Peruvian Arrived April 20th
Arrivals in Quebec:
(arrival about 10 days before the return date)
Nestorian left Quebec Saturday May 8th
Nova Scotian left Quebec Saturday May 15th
Prussian left Quebec Saturday May 22th
Austrian left Quebec Saturday May 29th
European left Quebec Saturday June 5th
Morovian left Quebec Friday June 11th
Thus; I think they would have arrived on the Peruvian in Portland, on April 20th... |
Edited by - jwiborg on 02/02/2022 21:27:10 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/02/2022 : 00:22:26
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| What are the odds or likelihood that someone leaving on an Allan ship from Norway would be on some ship other than an Allan line ship for the transatlantic part of the voyage? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7765 Posts |
Posted - 03/02/2022 : 00:26:16
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quote:
Originally posted by jwiborg
I think the Allan-ships went to Portland, Maine, instead of Quebec in the first months of 1869?
Ref the previous screenshot from The Portland daily press, April 15, 1869:
"The Peruvian, Capt. Ballantine, is the next steamer due at this port, and the last one for this present season"
So Peruvian's arrival on April 20th was the last one in Portland for spring 1869, and the next one (Nestorian), was the first one to go directly to Quebec in spring 1869.
Thus:
Arrivals in Port of Portland, Maine:
Hibernian Arrived March 24th.
Austrian Arrived March 30th. Dept Liverpool March 18.
Moravian Arrived April 5th
North American Arrived April 14th
Peruvian Arrived April 20th
Arrivals in Quebec:
(arrival about 10 days before the return date)
Nestorian left Quebec Saturday May 8th
Nova Scotian left Quebec Saturday May 15th
Prussian left Quebec Saturday May 22th
Austrian left Quebec Saturday May 29th
European left Quebec Saturday June 5th
Morovian left Quebec Friday June 11th
Thus; I think they would have arrived on the Peruvian in Portland, on April 20th...
Good thinking, I didn't know what the publication date or place of the article was so does make a difference in understanding. Thanks much.
Does Ancestry or Familysearch have Portland Maine arrivals for 1869 online? |
Edited by - jkmarler on 03/02/2022 05:28:07 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 03/02/2022 : 19:00:49
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quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler
What are the odds or likelihood that someone leaving on an Allan ship from Norway would be on some ship other than an Allan line ship for the transatlantic part of the voyage?
Unlikely. They bought the ticket with the Montreal Ocean Steamship Company (Allan Line), and included in the price was all meals, a norwegian interpreter and fare to the final destination, eg. trainticket to Chicago.
I would say it's 95% likely they are on the Peruvian, arriving Portland April 20th, and a 5% chance they are on the Nestorian, arriving Quebec April 26th.
I have not found a Montreal Ocean Steamship arriving between April 20th and 26th, although the norwegian advertisement says the company have a Steamer dept. Liverpool twice weekly...
I think Peruvian left Liverpool Thursday April 8th, and Nestorian Thursday April 15th. |
Edited by - jwiborg on 03/02/2022 19:05:20 |
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