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jrbredehoft
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Posted - 11/02/2022 :  22:33:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm looking for information on my third-great uncle, Andreas Pedersen Finstuen. He was born October 4, 1844 to Peder Jensen Bratlien and Agnethe Olsdatter Aspegaarden in Torpa. He emigrated to the U.S. in 1870. He died December 21, 1927. His siblings (Johann Pedersen Finstuen, Ole Pedersen Finstuen, Peder Pedersen Fisntuen and Randine Pedersdatter Finstuen) all settled in Goodhue County, Minnesota but I cannot find any information on Andreas or where he settled.

AntonH
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Posted - 11/02/2022 :  23:04:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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He died December 21, 1927.


I find a Peter P. Finstuen who died on that date. But I would think that is his brother Peter Pedersen Finstuen. Do you have a record that Andreas died on that same date as well?

Peter P Finstuen
in the Minnesota, U.S., Death Index, 1908-2017
Name: Peter P Finstuen
Record Type: Death
Death Date: 21 Dec 1927
Death Place: Goodhue, Minnesota, USA
Death Registration Date: 1927
Certificate Number: 004693
Record Number: 498673
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AntonH
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Posted - 11/02/2022 :  23:33:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Emigration, Is the Randine Pedersdatter his sister and Agnete Olsdatter his mother ?

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000404855

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/8/pe00000000404856

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/9/og00000000404253



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AntonH
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Posted - 11/02/2022 :  23:48:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Andreas P Finstsion
in the Canada, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Andreas P Finstsion
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 25
Birth Year: abt 1845
Departure Port: Christiania, Norway
Arrival Date: 16 Jun 1870
Arrival Port: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Anna Delius

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/213360:1263?_phsrc=DdZ45&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=andreas&ml_rpos=13&queryId=36c86bf2ce4ec4cf94d817d533836046
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/02/2022 :  00:20:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Probably the mother Agnethe living with her son Ole in the 1895 Minnesota Census.

Agnethe Tenstison
in the Minnesota, U.S., Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
Name: Agnethe Tenstison
Age: 78 5/12
Census Date: 1895
County: Goodhue
Locality: Roscoe
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Race: White
Line: 5
Roll: V290_60

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1058&h=1955588&tid=&pid=&queryId=e106aac4763919792efcdb6658568dbe&usePUB=true&_phsrc=CPa27&_phstart=successSource
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ToreL
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Posted - 12/02/2022 :  11:55:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is a book by Arvid Sandaker from 1973, Utvandringen til Amerika fra Nordre og Søndre Land 1839-1915. I find just two passages about people referred to by the Finstuen name: p. 212, p. 215.

Edited by - ToreL on 12/02/2022 11:59:47
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/02/2022 :  12:17:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In Ole P Finstuen's obituary published in the Zumbrota News on 10 Nov 1905 page 3 col 2, it mentions that he is survived by his widow, 2 children, 3 brothers and 1 sister. Depending on what you know about the brother Johann's death date, you know that Andreas has perished by 1905 if Johann is still alive in 1905, and if Johann is dead by 1905, you know Andreas remains alive.

One other thing to consider is, perhaps Andreas didn't use Finstuen as his name over here. Perhaps you need to look for an Andreas Pederson in stead?
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/02/2022 :  12:27:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Agnethe O Finstuen's obituary in the Zumbrota Independent published 25 May 1899 mentions all five of her children as surviving her. Andrew is listed as living in St. Paul.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/02/2022 :  12:34:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is an Andrew Peterson living in St. Paul in 1895, age 51 has been living in Minnesota for 24 years and in the current enumeration district for 13 years. He is apparently married, with 3 possible children all born in Minnesota and he works as a tailor.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6S6Q-74R?i=143&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMQ6B-X2X

This Andrew lives in St. Paul in 1900, 1905 and 1910. Here's a link to the image of the 1900 census. Here his birthdate is given as Jan 1848. Edward, one of the three children in the 1895 census is listed as nephew:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-68DL-31?i=30&cc=1325221&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AM93J-NQ4

Edited by - jkmarler on 12/02/2022 13:05:24
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ToreL
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Posted - 12/02/2022 :  12:42:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by AntonH

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He died December 21, 1927.

I find a Peter P. Finstuen who died on that date. But I would think that is his brother Peter Pedersen Finstuen. Do you have a record that Andreas died on that same date as well?


There is a tree on Ancestry according to which the three siblings Randine, Peder and Andreas all died on that same day in 1927. Could it be that two of the three were either recorded as already dead or still alive at the date that one sibling died, and that a "before" or "after" modifier was later ignored?
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ToreL
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Posted - 12/02/2022 :  12:47:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe Andreas used his father's original surname/farm name Bratlien rather than Finstuen? The Ancestry tree mentioned above refers to him by that name. Also note that there is a lot af Bratlien people on the same passenger list as the one that Andreas, Randine and their mothers appear on.

I did search the book by Sandaker for Bratlien as well, but no relevant match.
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ToreL
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Posted - 12/02/2022 :  12:50:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by jkmarler

Here is an Andrew Peterson living in St. Paul in 1895, age 51 has been living in Minnesota for 24 years and in the current enumeration district for 13 years. He is apparently married, with 3 possible children all born in Minnesota and he works as a tailor.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6S6Q-74R?i=143&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMQ6B-X2X



So that is him. He is a skrædder (tailor) on the emigrant list.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/02/2022 :  13:07:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

quote:
Originally posted by AntonH

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He died December 21, 1927.

I find a Peter P. Finstuen who died on that date. But I would think that is his brother Peter Pedersen Finstuen. Do you have a record that Andreas died on that same date as well?


There is a tree on Ancestry according to which the three siblings Randine, Peder and Andreas all died on that same day in 1927. Could it be that two of the three were either recorded as already dead or still alive at the date that one sibling died, and that a "before" or "after" modifier was later ignored?



Yes in some programs if you put in a date of bef such and such date, it actually renders as if that is their actual date of death.
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ToreL
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Posted - 12/02/2022 :  13:18:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Same people five years later? Some discrepancies, but still a tailor: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-68DL-31?i=30&cc=1325221&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AM93J-NQ4
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/02/2022 :  20:03:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Andreas Peterson
in the U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969
Name: Andreas Peterson
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 7 Jul 1876
Marriage Place: St Paul, Minnesota, USA
Spouse: Milla Nelson
Church Name: Christ Lutheran Church
Church Location: St Paul, Minnesota

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=60722&h=2631249&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=7602

A F Peterson
in the Minnesota, U.S., Marriages Index, 1849-1950
Name: A F Peterson
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 7 Jul 1876
Marriage Place: Ramsey, Minnesota
Spouse's Name: Milla Nelson
Spouse Gender: Female
FHL Film Number: 1314548


Edited by - AntonH on 12/02/2022 20:13:12
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AntonH
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Posted - 12/02/2022 :  20:28:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This might be the birth record for Edward. Mother is Lena Nelson, possibly the sister of Milla Nelson wife of Andrew Anderson.

Edward C Anderson
in the Minnesota, U.S., Births and Christenings Index, 1840-1980
Name: Edward C Anderson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 14 Apr 1882
Birth Place: St Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota
Father: Gilbert Anderson
Mother: Lena Nelson
FHL Film Number: 1309120

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