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AntonH
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Posted - 09/08/2022 :  02:14:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Karen Pedersen and Erick Petersen

Karen Pedersen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Karen Pedersen
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 30 Aug 1852
Baptism Date: 22 okt 1852 (22 Oct 1852)
Baptism Place: Lunder,Buskerud,Norway
Father:
Peder Olsen
Mother:
Kari Gundersdr
FHL Film Number: 124055

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/17987139:60092

Erik Petersen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Erik Petersen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 19 Jul 1879
Marriage Place: Lunder,Buskerud,Norway
Father:
Peter Helgesen
Spouse:
Karen Pedersdr
FHL Film Number: 1282535

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/799764:60095

Edited by - AntonH on 09/08/2022 02:15:17
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AntonH
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Posted - 09/08/2022 :  02:19:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Erick Peterson
in the U.S., Find a Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Erick Peterson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 Dec 1852
Birth Place: Buskerud fylke, Norway
Death Date: 14 Nov 1924
Death Place: Green County, Wisconsin, United States of America
Cemetery: York Memorial Lutheran Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: York, Green County, Wisconsin, United States of America
Has Bio?: Y
Spouse:
Karen Peterson
Children:
Oscar Peterson
Andrina Johnson
Peter Olaf Peterson
Caroline Olson
Amelia Korupp

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/60800992:60525

Erik Pedersen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Erik Pedersen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 2 des 1852 (2 Dec 1852)
Baptism Date: 17 Apr 1853
Baptism Place: Lunder,Buskerud,Norway
Father:
Peter Helgesen
Mother:
Anne Eriksdr
FHL Film Number:

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/13925317:60092?_phsrc=Igc14&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=eri*&ml_rpos=1&queryId=845eeb8d6d11291ee86f5875fa4ab69e
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AntonH
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Posted - 09/08/2022 :  02:33:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Would also love confirming this, as there is an entire family tree on Aasa Tostensdatter

Mother:
Guri Reidulvsdatter Råen
BIRTH 1747 • Råen, Krødsherad, Buskerud, Norway




You willl need to have Tore or someone from Norway look up this family in a Bygdebok. It is too far back in time for Ancestry and DA. This is probably Guri and her husband in the 1801 Census on Rishovd.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058273003120
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AntonH
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Posted - 09/08/2022 :  02:46:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Marte THARALDSDATTER
Sven JENSEN "Bergren" (1737-)



Here is the baptism recored for Ragnhilld, farm is Sætre.

Ragnild Svendsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Ragnild Svendsen
[Ragnild Jensen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 28 Jun 1772
Baptism Place: Norderhov,Buskerud,Norway
Father:
Svend Jensen
Mother:
Marte Tharalsdr
FHL Film Number: 124051

Left page

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313650706

For the baptism of Kjersti the father uses a farm name for a last name and the last name of the mother may be wrong?

Kirsti Svendsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Kirsti Svendsen
[Kirsti Saetra]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 28 Sep 1766
Baptism Place: Norderhov,Buskerud,Norway
Father:
Svend Saetra
Mother:
Marte Olsdr
FHL Film Number: 124051

Left page third record down

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313650614

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058270002982


Edited by - AntonH on 09/08/2022 03:01:15
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ToreL
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Posted - 09/08/2022 :  09:43:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I feel it is a little early to look at ancestors seveal levels back before the later levels have been better confirmed.

That said, If your ancestor Peter "Simon" Evensen was indeed the son of the Even Olsen born on April 13 1815, then I think you can put some trust in the Geni tree for Even Olsen Tranbyeiet that I linked to above. It looks quite well researched, and it is my general experience that the Geni trees are by far the most reliable that you can find on the internet,
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jkmarler
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Posted - 10/08/2022 :  14:24:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sister Aase Mathea lived into her 90s: If all goes well here is a newspaper photo of her:
https://www.nb.no/items/2f41127b2ad64ffe462b00b8e1bd7379?page=0&searchText=hagaringen

and a death announcement from 1929:
https://www.nb.no/items/3541467932033c1855d565626fae5977?page=1&searchText=hagaringen

And official transcription of death record
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/433/pc00000004242507

Here transcribed 1920 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01073776009015

Edited by - jkmarler on 10/08/2022 14:28:38
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 11/08/2022 :  01:23:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

I feel it is a little early to look at ancestors seveal levels back before the later levels have been better confirmed.

That said, If your ancestor Peter "Simon" Evensen was indeed the son of the Even Olsen born on April 13 1815, then I think you can put some trust in the Geni tree for Even Olsen Tranbyeiet that I linked to above. It looks quite well researched, and it is my general experience that the Geni trees are by far the most reliable that you can find on the internet,



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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 11/08/2022 :  02:34:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Sister Aase Mathea lived into her 90s: If all goes well here is a newspaper photo of her:
https://www.nb.no/items/2f41127b2ad64ffe462b00b8e1bd7379?page=0&searchText=hagaringen

and a death announcement from 1929:
https://www.nb.no/items/3541467932033c1855d565626fae5977?page=1&searchText=hagaringen

And official transcription of death record
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/433/pc00000004242507

Here transcribed 1920 census:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01073776009015



What a unique find!
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 11/08/2022 :  02:39:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AntonH

quote:
Let me know what you all think:


First thing that comes to my mind is. "Can you learn how to use links?"

Example

Nr. 35

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314640175



My bad Anton! My intention was that all the information, that I pulled was from Ancestry.com and I figured that if y'all find it in Norwegian databases, it may confirm. Next time I'll include links!
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ToreL
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Posted - 11/08/2022 :  08:48:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dylan: I think there is no doubt that Peter Evensen Simon was the son of the Even Olsen who died in 1860, and of his wife Marthe Helgesdatter.

What I would like to find better documented, is that this Even Olsen, was the same Even Olsen born April 13, 1815 to Ole Evensen and Aase Tostensdatter. The evidence are in his favor; the estimated year of birth matches and he named his eldest daughter Aase Mathea, his assumed mother's name. He looked like a good candidate when I found him, and still does, but it worries me that no other confirmation has surfaced.
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ToreL
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Posted - 11/08/2022 :  09:50:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
According to the Geni profile, the Ole Evensen who had the son Even in 1815, also had the children Torsten (born 1808), Berthe (born 1811), Kari (born 1819) and Peder (born 1822). I believe Torsten may have died as a toddler already in 1809, possibly at the same time as an older sister Beret/Berith born in 1805.

Ole Evensen lived with his son Peder on the farm Nymoen at the 1865 census. When he died in 1867, one finds the following entry in the death registry protocol: Bottom. I had some help with the transcription of the text on the right hand side, and here is a translation:

The following Children: Even, Peder, Berthe(?) and Kari [.] Peder has presented a written Declaration of 13 October 1860, where the Deceased has left him the Farm Nymoen and all its moveable property, in return for necessary Upkeep.

So Ole gave his farm over to his younger son Peder on Oct13 1860. The custom of transferring the farm to the eldest living son was strong, so would Ole do this with Even still living? (Your Even Olsen died a month later, on November 14.) Maybe, if the son Even was alive but terminally ill at the time, but the timing is puzzling, either way you see it.
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ToreL
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Posted - 11/08/2022 :  15:20:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Sister Aase Mathea lived into her 90s: If all goes well here is a newspaper photo of her:
https://www.nb.no/items/2f41127b2ad64ffe462b00b8e1bd7379?page=0&searchText=hagaringen


The birth date Feb. 16, 1837 matches, so it must be her. According to the baptism record, she was born on Alme-eie, contrary to the newspaper-assertion that she was born on Vågård ("Waagaard.") But her younger siblings were born on (a subfarm of) Marigård, so that is where she grew up, and Marigård and Vågård are closely related:

I can find no bygdebok for Norderhov, but there is a 2014 book called Vågårds og Marigårds historie by Thorleif Solberg. According to this book, Vågård and Marigård were old, large, neighboring farms. At the time we are reaearching, Marigård was divided into several smaller farms, named Tandbergs-Marigård, Kihle-Marigård, Bure-Marigård etc. Hagastua belonged to Tandbergs-Marigård, som when Even and Marthe was said to live at Tandberg-eie at one of the baptisms, it may have been the same place that was referred to as Marigårdseie on other occasions. Moreover, Tannbergs-Marigård was later sold to the owner of Vågård and included in that farm, so in 1928 it might may have been appropriate to refer to her childhood neighborhood as Vågård.


Edited by - ToreL on 11/08/2022 15:28:31
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jkmarler
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Posted - 11/08/2022 :  23:23:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is actually a 3 volume set of bygdeboker for Ringerike, which includes Norderhov called Ringerikske Slekter by A. Lageson. They are not especially good for information on husman however.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 12/08/2022 :  02:15:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

Dylan: I think there is no doubt that Peter Evensen Simon was the son of the Even Olsen who died in 1860, and of his wife Marthe Helgesdatter.

What I would like to find better documented, is that this Even Olsen, was the same Even Olsen born April 13, 1815 to Ole Evensen and Aase Tostensdatter. The evidence are in his favor; the estimated year of birth matches and he named his eldest daughter Aase Mathea, his assumed mother's name. He looked like a good candidate when I found him, and still does, but it worries me that no other confirmation has surfaced.



I agree with what you say and propose the following since I believe we never found a birth record on Peter Evensen and maybe what I am saying makes no sense, but I am kind of losing track

We could double-check Column 7 of Peter's Baptism record, which I believe, someone skilled may be able to identify additional names, that may connect to the 1815-Even Olsen's Family:

  • Father: Ole Evensen (B: 1780)
  • Mother: Aasa Tostensdatter (B: 1783)
  • Brother: Torsten (B: 1808)
  • Sister: Berthe (B: 1811)
  • Sister: Kari (B: 1819)
  • Brother: Peder Olsen (B: 1822)
  • Brother's Wife: Kuri Gundersdatter (B: 1827)
  • Daughter: Aaase Mathea Evensdatter (B: 1837)
  • Son: Hans Evensen (B: 1841)
  • Daughter: Randine Evensen (B: 1843)
  • Son: Ole Evensen (B: 1846)


Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938 for Peter

Name Peter
Gender Mannlig (Male)
Record Type dåp (Baptism)
Birth Date 23 Sept
Baptism Date 4 Nov 1849
Baptism Place Norderhov, Buskerud, Norge (Norway)
Baptism Municipality Hønefoss
Father Even Olsen
Mother Marte Helgenvik

Nr. 119
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29888679?h=fcb9d3

On a side note: I am also going through DNA matches potentially descending from Peder Olsen (B: 1822), but its quite difficult, because so far it doesn't appear like anyone has taken the DNA test, I also don't know if I would even get a DNA match with a descendant of Peder, and last, that there are a lot of son-daughter-son-daughter scenarios, in which I don't know the exact name of any living descendants of Peder. However, in the process of DNA testing my great uncle (great-grandson of Peter). That may result in an easier search.

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 12/08/2022 02:49:58
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/08/2022 :  03:18:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dylankylesimon

quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

Dylan: I think there is no doubt that Peter Evensen Simon was the son of the Even Olsen who died in 1860, and of his wife Marthe Helgesdatter.

What I would like to find better documented, is that this Even Olsen, was the same Even Olsen born April 13, 1815 to Ole Evensen and Aase Tostensdatter. The evidence are in his favor; the estimated year of birth matches and he named his eldest daughter Aase Mathea, his assumed mother's name. He looked like a good candidate when I found him, and still does, but it worries me that no other confirmation has surfaced.



I agree with what you say and propose the following since I believe we never found a birth record on Peter Evensen and maybe what I am saying makes no sense, but I am kind of losing track

We could double-check Column 7 of Peter's Baptism record, which I believe, someone skilled may be able to identify additional names, that may connect to the 1815-Even Olsen's Family:

  • Father: Ole Evensen (B: 1780)
  • Mother: Aasa Tostensdatter (B: 1783)
  • Brother: Torsten (B: 1808)
  • Sister: Berthe (B: 1811)
  • Sister: Kari (B: 1819)
  • Brother: Peder Olsen (B: 1822)
  • Brother's Wife: Kuri Gundersdatter (B: 1827)
  • Daughter: Aaase Mathea Evensdatter (B: 1837)
  • Son: Hans Evensen (B: 1841)
  • Daughter: Randine Evensen (B: 1843)
  • Son: Ole Evensen (B: 1846)


Norway, Church Records, 1812-1938 for Peter

Name Peter
Gender Mannlig (Male)
Record Type dåp (Baptism)
Birth Date 23 Sept
Baptism Date 4 Nov 1849
Baptism Place Norderhov, Buskerud, Norge (Norway)
Baptism Municipality Hønefoss
Father Even Olsen
Mother Marte Helgenvik

Nr. 119
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29888679?h=fcb9d3

On a side note: I am also going through DNA matches potentially descending from Peder Olsen (B: 1822), but its quite difficult, because so far it doesn't appear like anyone has taken the DNA test, I also don't know if I would even get a DNA match with a descendant of Peder, and last, that there are a lot of son-daughter-son-daughter scenarios, in which I don't know the exact name of any living descendants of Peder. However, in the process of DNA testing my great uncle (great-grandson of Peter). That may result in an easier search.



Really? I'm copying Vivi's response from the other topic.

"Hi

Here is the baptizm of the Peter/Petter found by jkmarler.
No 119:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314630148

The family live at Marigaardeie and Norderhov is in Ringerike"

In Norwegian family research in 1849, this is the birth record. There will likely NOT be any other or a civil record, period.

I think you want us to look at the faddernes (sponsors, witnesses or godparents) Okay here are the names as I read them:
Knud Olsen Nordstokke, Ingebrigt Halvorsen Marigaardseie, Elling Helgesen Ibid (meaning ditto so Marigaardseie), Guri Eriksdtr ibid. , Karen Halvorsdtr ibid.

The only name of real interest immediately would be Elling Helgesen as that's the same patronymic as Marta. Most of them are living on Marigaardseie, so are all of husman class. But to get anything else out of this you'd have to read the godparents for each of Peter's siblings.

Possible for Elling Helgeson baptism #106
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0009: Parish register (official) no. 9, 1819-1837, p. 276-277
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070314620520


By the by, the transcription of Peter's mother's surname as Helgenvik,, I don't buy it.


Edited by - jkmarler on 12/08/2022 23:47:41
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