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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 12/08/2022 :  03:35:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I apologize Jackie, my brain is completely fried. I think that you are right ToreL, there may be no other documentation between our Even Olsen and Even Olsen born April 13, 1815. Is there only an 1865 Norway census? I am only seeing Birth/Baptism Records between 1815 and 1865, at least on my end on Ancestry.com

We also never found a marriage record of Even Olsen and Marte Helgesdatter, correct?

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 12/08/2022 06:36:10
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ToreL
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Posted - 12/08/2022 :  07:38:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I did go through the baptisms og Peter Evensen and his siblings in the search for significant witnesses to match up with Even's family. (Names or farm.) I believe I only found one possible Even-sibling, maybe Kari Olsdatter, wihich is too common to prove anything. And you are right, we have not found Even and Marthe's marriage, which is quite puzzling.

I have extended the Geni-tree below the Peder Olsen who inherited the Nymoen-farm, and was able to connect it up with other branches. The Smedshammer branch appears to be administered by a descendent of Peder Olsen. There seems to be plenty of living descendents in a paternal line, so there is potential for a comparison of Y-DNA.

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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/08/2022 :  15:48:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Re: the marriage of Even Olsen and Marthe Helgesdatter, there are two sets of microfilm at the LDS holdings catalog, perhaps only one of filmings is mounted at the Archives? I've run into that before with records of Norderhov, with a listing being in one and not the other. Here are the descriptions:

Viede Kl.b.18 1832-1849 (Lunder)
Family History Library
International B1 Floor Film 124055 8680172

Viede b.20 1825-1837
Family History Library
International B1 Floor Film 124056 4034398

Viede b.23 1838-1847
Family History Library
International B1 Floor Film 124057 4034401

Viede b.17 1834-1876 (Norderhov) 1814-1824 (Lunder-Viker) 1830-1833
Family History Library
International B1 Floor Film 124055 8680172
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ToreL
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Posted - 12/08/2022 :  20:19:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

There is actually a 3 volume set of bygdeboker for Ringerike, which includes Norderhov called Ringerikske Slekter by A. Lageson. They are not especially good for information on husman however.


Sorry, Jackie, that was sloppy of me. I did in fact know about those volumes, but I had also gathered that they mainly focused on the property-owning families.

The good news is that a two-volume bygdebook for Lunder is on its way, the first volume being planned for Christmas 2023 and the second for Christmas 2025, I contacted one of the editors, and he assures me that they will take a serioous look at our problems when they get to the farms in question. From what I read about the project, they will not be relying solely on existing archive material, but are also reaching out to local families to get their help filling out the gaps.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 12/08/2022 :  21:11:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I searched through the faddernes of the baptisms of Peder Olsen Nymoen's children (actually for the majority of them he is characterized as Kittlesbyeie) and found no Even Olsen, nor Martha Helgesdatter nor Ole Evenson amongst the names

Here is the death record of Marthe Helgesdatter widow of Even Olsen #18
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-B3PP-S27L?cc=4237104&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A683K-YG1S

Here is a view of the exact page of the 1865 census. Marthe Helgesdatter on ogaard ? and Elling Helgesen on Marigaard:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-53VY-MSML?cc=3756102&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3ADDHR-LCN2

Marthe's birth /baptism matching the birthdate in her death record:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000010477412

Helge Hermundsen in 1801 census on Alme in Norderhov:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058270003080

Helge Hermundsen death in 1850 #35 on Marigaardeie. Interesting is Ragnhild Svendsdatter same page #46 also on Marigaardeie:
ttps://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-13PP-3NSF?cc=4237104&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6832-8PCT

Svend Helgesen birth /baptism 2nd from top on right hand page:
Norderhov kirkebøker, SAKO/A-237/F/Fa/L0006: Parish register (official) no. 6, 1789-1811, p. 96
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070313660337

One of Svend's faddernes was a Jens Svensen, and here is one, not on Alme but Heen with a probable sibling and his mother:
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058270002864

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ToreL
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Posted - 12/08/2022 :  21:37:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

I Here is the death record of Marthe Helgesdatter widow of Even Olsen #18
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-B3PP-S27L?cc=4237104&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A683K-YG1S


Cause of death Madforgiftning; Food poisoning!
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 13/08/2022 :  23:07:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

quote:
Originally posted by jkmarler

Sister Aase Mathea lived into her 90s: If all goes well here is a newspaper photo of her:
https://www.nb.no/items/2f41127b2ad64ffe462b00b8e1bd7379?page=0&searchText=hagaringen


The birth date Feb. 16, 1837 matches, so it must be her. According to the baptism record, she was born on Alme-eie, contrary to the newspaper-assertion that she was born on Vågård ("Waagaard.") But her younger siblings were born on (a subfarm of) Marigård, so that is where she grew up, and Marigård and Vågård are closely related:

I can find no bygdebok for Norderhov, but there is a 2014 book called Vågårds og Marigårds historie by Thorleif Solberg. According to this book, Vågård and Marigård were old, large, neighboring farms. At the time we are reaearching, Marigård was divided into several smaller farms, named Tandbergs-Marigård, Kihle-Marigård, Bure-Marigård etc. Hagastua belonged to Tandbergs-Marigård, som when Even and Marthe was said to live at Tandberg-eie at one of the baptisms, it may have been the same place that was referred to as Marigårdseie on other occasions. Moreover, Tannbergs-Marigård was later sold to the owner of Vågård and included in that farm, so in 1928 it might may have been appropriate to refer to her childhood neighborhood as Vågård.





I came across two great resources for the future:

Map:

https://www.kulturminnesok.no

List of farms in Ringerike:

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_over_g%C3%A5rder_i_Ringerike

1845 - Norderhov (P.11 - 35)
Even's Family should be on Tanberg/Tandberg but the record has no names.
Page 11 - https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/68682/11

1855 - Marigaard
Even's Family should be on Marigaard, but the record has no names.

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/68702/141

1865 - Ulleraal
Farm 0078 Marigaard
Farm 0079 Aagashus?? (Perhaps Hagastuen)
Martha Helgesdatter (53)
Petter Evensen (17)

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/rural-residence/bf01038084009384

Farm 0080 Næset
Farm 0081 Marigaard, Marigaard Sameieskoven
Elling Helgesen (Our friend)

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/rural-residence/bf01038084009393

Farm 0082 Marigaard, Marigaard Sameieskoven
Farm 0083 Braatestuen

1875 - Ulleraal
Farm 0070: Vaagaard
Farm 0075 Marigaard

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/rural-residence/bf01038084009384

Farm 0076 Hagastuen (under Marigaard)
Marthe Helgesdatter (B:1814)
Ole Evensen (B: 1846)

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/rural-residence/bf01052115005560

Farm 0077 Marigaard
Elling Helgesen (Our friend)

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/rural-residence/bf01052115005566

Farm 0078 Marigaard
Farm 0079 Næsset (Marigaard)
Farm 0080 Marigaard
Farm 0081 Braatestuen (under Marigaard)
Farm 0082 Mobakken (under Marigaard)
Farm 0083 Lillemoen (Marigaardseiet)

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/district/tf01052115004957

1891 - Census Districts
Farm 92/2: Waagard
Vågårdsnæsset under 92/2
Hagastuen under 92/2
Farm 93: No Data

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/district/tf01052782000011

1900 - Census Districts
Farm 92: Vaagard
Farm 93: Now: Braatestuen (Past: Marigård)
Hagastuen under Farm 92

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/district/tf01037110000010

Farm 93 - Marigård or "Marigaard" was located on Eggemoen, where the country property still exists.
https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggemoen

Like you said their farm is named Hagastuen, and it's under Marigaard.

Farm 39 - Tanberg, Later the name appears in the forms... ...Tandberg 1723. However, Ole Evensen marriage record refers as you said they would refer to Tandbergeie-Marigaardseie. Not sure, but maybe you can look at the map above and let me know what you think.

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanberg

Farm 46 - Eikli
https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eikli


See the List below for all farms in Norderhov.



I think where the Norwegian Armed Forces Military Base is sitting today might have had the Farm Hagestuen (under Marigaard).


Second World War
The Norwegian Army Air Service started in 1938 to look into suitable sites for a second airport in Eastern Norway, which could supplement Kjeller Airport. In addition to what would become Haslemoen Airport, it considered three sites in Ringerike: Hensmoen, Marigårdsmoen and Veme. Despite the lack of an airport, there was already an aviation club, Ringerike Flyklubb, based at Hvalsmoen. They encouraged the military to consider building an airport at Eggemoen. However, the plans did not come any further before the German invasion of Norway set in on 9 April 1940.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B8nefoss_Airport,_Eggemoen

The Norwegian Armed Forces established the military base at Eggemoen in 1950 and then from 1954 onwards, it served as the shooting range for the engineering corps/brigade in Southern Norway. The firearm education department of the engineering regiment took over the camp in 1963. The military camp continued to be used by the engineering regiment until 2001 when they decided to abandon the site. The defense forces finally moved out of the premises at Eggemoen in 2004 and the property was put up for sale. And in 2008, the Eggemoen military base was bought by Ola Tronrud AS. The cyber cell of the Norwegian defense, however, retained its establishment at Eggemoen and is based in an area adjacent to the industrial park.
https://www.eggemoen.no/en/technology-park/duplicate-of-historie




Norderhov (med Vegårdsfjerdingen)


38: Tanberg (Randine and Ole)

Norderhov (Heradsbygdfjerdingen)

46: Eikli (Hans)

Norderhov (Ytre Soknedalen)
Norderhov (Strandefjerdingen)
Norderhov (Ullerål sogn)

89: Alme (Aaase)
93: Marigård (Peter and Engebret)

Norderhov (Haug sogn)
Norderhov (Lunder sogn)

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_over_g%C3%A5rder_i_Ringerike

With this in mind, I am establishing the following timeline as to where Even Olsen lived, perhaps giving us an idea, of where to find him and how to differentiate him from other Even Olsen.

Even Olsen (D: 14 Nov 1860)
1837 Farm Alme in Norderhov (Ullerål sogn)
1841 Farm Eikli in Norderhov (Heradsbygdfjerdingen) (4.2 KM / 2.6 mi from Alme)
1843-1846 Farm Tanberg in Norderhov (med Vegårdsfjerdingen) (3.2 KM / 2.0 mi from Eikli)
1849-1855 Farm Marigaard in Norderhov (Ullerål parish) (7.8 KM / 8.1 mi from Tanberg)

Even Olsen with the Baptism Record is in Lunder parish Farm: 174 Tranby, 21.3 KM / 13.3 from Farm Alme.

Detail Source
Name: Even
Gender: Mannlig (Male)
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: dåp (Baptism)
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1815
Baptism Date: 4 mai 1815 (4 May 1815)
Baptism Place: Norderhov, Buskerud, Norge (Norway)
Baptism Municipality: Hønefoss
Father:
Ole Evensen
Mother:
Aasa Torkelsdatter

#54
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29915573?h=0fcbd6

Aaase Mathea Evensdatter Birth/Baptism Record lists an Ole, but I can't make out the last name.

#30
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29890024?h=2eb293

Hans Evensen Birth/Baptism Record lists 2, potentially 3 Olsen. They may be siblings of Even and they would then not appear to be the ones of the 13 Apr 1815 Even Olsen, however that's my best guess.

#9
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29914100?h=885402

Randine Evensdatter Birth/Baptism Record lists Ole Andersen and Ole Frederiksen. Anyhow, didn't find anything with Even and them as their potential father. So that's a dead end.

#198
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29918517?h=5e0a87

Here is Martha Helgesdatter's father Helge Hermandsen on Marigaardseie
Death: 3 May 1850
Burial: 12 May 1850
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29918773?h=c3ccf7

quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

According to the Geni profile, the Ole Evensen who had the son Even in 1815, also had the children Torsten (born 1808), Berthe (born 1811), Kari (born 1819) and Peder (born 1822). I believe Torsten may have died as a toddler already in 1809, possibly at the same time as an older sister Beret/Berith born in 1805.

Ole Evensen lived with his son Peder on the farm Nymoen at the 1865 census. When he died in 1867, one finds the following entry in the death registry protocol: Bottom. I had some help with the transcription of the text on the right hand side, and here is a translation:

The following Children: Even, Peder, Berthe(?) and Kari [.] Peder has presented a written Declaration of 13 October 1860, where the Deceased has left him the Farm Nymoen and all its moveable property, in return for necessary Upkeep.

So Ole gave his farm over to his younger son Peder on Oct13 1860. The custom of transferring the farm to the eldest living son was strong, so would Ole do this with Even still living? (Your Even Olsen died a month later, on November 14.) Maybe, if the son Even was alive but terminally ill at the time, but the timing is puzzling, either way you see it.



Judging from Even Olsen leaving his family behind to go live with Martha Helgesdatter's Family and none of the Olsen ever appearing, I would say it's safe to say that he gave his farm's rights away.

If we cannot find out anything more about Even Olsen and Martha Helgesdatter, perhaps we can find out more about Hans Evensen, which went to Minnesota, perhaps there is a family to track down and get a DNA match.

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 14/08/2022 06:59:47
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ToreL
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Posted - 14/08/2022 :  09:55:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
But why would you compare DNA with Hans' descendants? He was a brother of Peter Simon, right? So a positive match would only prove that noone was deceived?

But, as I said above, Peder Olsen Nymoen appears to have a good share of descendants in a purely paternal line. Here is a page showing his son Andreas' offspring a little into the ineteen hundreds: https://ibb.co/ngVjyqG
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 14/08/2022 :  16:13:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

But why would you compare DNA with Hans' descendants? He was a brother of Peter Simon, right? So a positive match would only prove that noone was deceived?

But, as I said above, Peder Olsen Nymoen appears to have a good share of descendants in a purely paternal line. Here is a page showing his son Andreas' offspring a little into the ineteen hundreds: https://ibb.co/ngVjyqG



I certainly agree with you. I like to build out the family tree with verified information first before I attack the unverified ones. In the past, people have grabbed parts of my Family Tree with wrong information while I was in the process of researching. They simply don't care. That's why I would like to finish Even Olsen and his children first, before I jump to our potential Ole Evensen and his children.
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 14/08/2022 :  20:01:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can someone translate the section up top in the first and second columns on the right page, want to make sure that Ole Olsen isn't Even Olsen's father?

Marriage Ole Evensen (B:1846) Marigaard
Father: Even Olsen Marigaardseie
Spouse: Anne Marie Eriksdatter Berg

I am reading Ole Olsen Marigaard, and then 18:25/4 2/5 or so?
And someone's name Marigaard

#21
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29925405?h=c86fd8
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/08/2022 :  21:15:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dylankylesimon

Can someone translate the section up top in the first and second columns on the right page, want to make sure that Ole Olsen isn't Even Olsen's father?

Marriage Ole Evensen (B:1846) Marigaard
Father: Even Olsen Marigaardseie
Spouse: Anne Marie Eriksdatter Berg

I am reading Ole Olsen Marigaard, and then 18:25/4 2/5 or so?
And someone's name Marigaard

#21
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29925405?h=c86fd8



The Ole Olsen Marigaard mentioned on the right page is a bondsman. He could be related or he might not be related.

The column in which Even Olsen Marigaardeie appears is labelled as the father of brudgommen the groom.

The other is Ingebret Halvorsen Marigaard or at least it appears to me.
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ToreL
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Posted - 14/08/2022 :  21:22:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dylankylesimon

Can someone translate the section up top in the first and second columns on the right page, want to make sure that Ole Olsen isn't Even Olsen's father?

Marriage Ole Evensen (B:1846) Marigaard
Father: Even Olsen Marigaardseie
Spouse: Anne Marie Eriksdatter Berg

I am reading Ole Olsen Marigaard, and then 18:25/4 2/5 or so?
And someone's name Marigaard

#21 https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29925405?h=c86fd8


The first column on the right hand page lists (the) forloverne; the "best men" -- they were both men at the time -- these were persons who knew the bride/groom and could vouch for them. I read their names as Ole Olsen Marigaard and perhaps Ingebr. Halvorsen Marigaard. The next column lists the dates when their marriage plans were announced in church. This was common practice to give anyone time to object to the marriage in case they knew something that would prevent it from happening.

Edited by - ToreL on 14/08/2022 21:23:25
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/08/2022 :  21:29:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

But why would you compare DNA with Hans' descendants? He was a brother of Peter Simon, right? So a positive match would only prove that noone was deceived?

But, as I said above, Peder Olsen Nymoen appears to have a good share of descendants in a purely paternal line. Here is a page showing his son Andreas' offspring a little into the ineteen hundreds: https://ibb.co/ngVjyqG



Thought I recognized the type and format, that is from Folk og Fortid i Hol!
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jkmarler
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Posted - 14/08/2022 :  21:49:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

But why would you compare DNA with Hans' descendants? He was a brother of Peter Simon, right? So a positive match would only prove that noone was deceived?

But, as I said above, Peder Olsen Nymoen appears to have a good share of descendants in a purely paternal line. Here is a page showing his son Andreas' offspring a little into the ineteen hundreds: https://ibb.co/ngVjyqG



Here is a newspaper story about one of them Arvid Smedshammer:
https://www.nb.no/items/50a47659017301793b66fd0a0157c4d2?page=7&searchText=%22arvid%20smedshammer%22
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dylankylesimon
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Posted - 15/08/2022 :  04:13:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ToreL

But why would you compare DNA with Hans' descendants? He was a brother of Peter Simon, right? So a positive match would only prove that noone was deceived?

But, as I said above, Peder Olsen Nymoen appears to have a good share of descendants in a purely paternal line. Here is a page showing his son Andreas' offspring a little into the ineteen hundreds: https://ibb.co/ngVjyqG



Added all of the Smedshammer Family to my Family Tree. Also, added and messaged R. Smedshammer and added O. Smedshammer, both sons of Arvid. If we somehow can manage to get a DNA test done or someone in their family already did, that would be a big find.

Edited by - dylankylesimon on 15/08/2022 12:28:35
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