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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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 Posted - 26/04/2024 : 03:18:56
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So Sisselja became a Sarah. There is a tree at family search that has an actual sister named Sarah who was born 1875. What do you know about her?
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LNWD-KHQ
There is an email address for at least one of the contributors to this tree SusanYPorter. Is she familiar to you? |
Edited by - jkmarler on 26/04/2024 07:00:52 |
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ToreL
Advanced member
Norway
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Posted - 26/04/2024 : 08:32:12
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Here is the list of Lars' children from his two marriages, copied from the newest (2023) bygdebok for Voss. No listing of childen born after 1869, but Ingebjørg (herself born 1829) having another daughter around 1775 wouldn't be impossible.
Correction Having a daughter in 1775 would in fact be impossible for someone born in 1829, but 1875 is another matter... |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 26/04/2024 : 10:40:43
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She would only have been 46, not quite out of the baby business, yet. There are always "surprizes", aren't there?
I don't see Sarah in the 1891 census with the folks and information in the base on her seems a bit sketchy. Maybe whoever put her in was reading the same story as poster but came to a different conclusion, that there was another sibling, rather than a sibling altered their name.
This may have been posted before. Top entry on page, dodsfallsprotokol for Ingeborg:
Lensmannen i Voss, SAB/A-35801/0006/L0001: Dødsfallprotokoll, 1890-1915, p. 63b-64a
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk60034092000066
And here is Lars #4:
Lensmannen i Voss, SAB/A-35801/0006/L0001: Dødsfallprotokoll, 1890-1915, p. 64b-65a
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk60034092000067
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Edited by - jkmarler on 26/04/2024 11:59:55 |
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carl johnson
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Posted - 26/04/2024 : 17:12:50
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Originally posted by jkmarler
Can't be linked to but found on the Illinois State Secretary of State Digital archives.
https://www.ilsos.gov/departments/archives/databases/home.html
There isn't any additional information in the record there.
Thank you for the update
I have never used this particular website because of the availability of information on other sites about any Illinois ancestors. I will keep my hopes up that this mystery can finally be resolved! |
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carl johnson
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Posted - 26/04/2024 : 17:39:33
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Originally posted by jkmarler
She would only have been 46, not quite out of the baby business, yet. There are always "surprizes", aren't there?
I don't see Sarah in the 1891 census with the folks and information in the base on her seems a bit sketchy. Maybe whoever put her in was reading the same story as poster but came to a different conclusion, that there was another sibling, rather than a sibling altered their name.
This may have been posted before. Top entry on page, dodsfallsprotokol for Ingeborg:
Lensmannen i Voss, SAB/A-35801/0006/L0001: Dødsfallprotokoll, 1890-1915, p. 63b-64a
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk60034092000066
And here is Lars #4:
Lensmannen i Voss, SAB/A-35801/0006/L0001: Dødsfallprotokoll, 1890-1915, p. 64b-65a
Quick link: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk60034092000067
It might be possible that the last female born in 1875 is the Sarah in Chicago but I think it was Cecilia born in the 1850s
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carl johnson
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Posted - 26/04/2024 : 17:53:51
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Many years ago, the people of this ancestry forum showed me Vossiboki and here is my ancestors—-
Lars Bjørku fekk i 1845 skøyte hjå Anders, verfar sin for 950 spd. Med Sisselja hadde han borni Ingebjørg, Brita, Ragnhild, Anders, Anna og Lars. Ingebjørg og Lars hadde borni: Sisselja, Nils, Johannes, Brynjulv og Ingebjørg. Alle borni hans Lars reiste til Amerika sonær som Anders og Nils. Nils er f. 1860, g. m. Trina Nilsdr. Kvåle, Tkb., sjå bruk 4 Eggjareid. Anders Larsson f. 1848 gifte seg 1875 m. Marta Eiriksdr. Nedre Graudo og fekk skøyte på farsgarden i 1895 for 3200 kronor. Anders skøytte 1933 garden til Lars, son sin, for 10 000 kronor. Lars er f. 1878 og g. 1908 m. Anna Oddsdr. Tøn f. 1882.
This is how Google translates it
In 1845, Lars Bjørku got a skate from Anders, his great-grandfather, for 950 spd. With Sisselja he had children Ingebjørg, Brita, Ragnhild, Anders, Anna and Lars. Ingebjørg and Lars had children: Sisselja, Nils, Johannes, Brynjulv and Ingebjørg. All of Lars's children traveled to America as soon as Anders and Nils. Nils was born in 1860, married Trina Nilsdr. Kvåle, Tkb., see use 4 Eggjareid. Anders Larsson b. 1848 married 1875 m. Marta Eiriksdr. Lower Graudo and got a skate at the father's farm in 1895 for 3,200 kronor. In 1933, Anders sold the farm to Lars, his son, for 10,000 kroner. Lars was born in 1878 and married in 1908 with Anna Oddsdr. Tøn b. 1882
If I am able to understand completely, there were only two of Lars’s children that remained in Norway all the rest immigrated to North America.
I have found everyone except for the very first Ingeborg born of Sisselja,and Cecilia, who I believe is Sarah Larkin
According to Lars Kindem, both of these women came to America. |
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Edited by - carl johnson on 26/04/2024 17:56:59 |
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ToreL
Advanced member
Norway
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Posted - 27/04/2024 : 00:05:46
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| Brynjulf was just Brynjulf at baptism (#113). If he could become William in America, then certainly Cecilie/Sisselja could become Sara. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/04/2024 : 13:02:59
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Originally posted by ToreL
Brynjulf was just Brynjulf at baptism (#113). If he could become William in America, then certainly Cecilie/Sisselja could become Sara.
A few of the records on him say William B so the transformation is a bit different, he possibly is nodding to Brynjulf as an assumed middle name. Brynjulf doesn't really have any contemporary English name equivalent. Sisselja is amply covered by English Cecelia, though. So personal preferences must have also had a play. |
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jkmarler
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carl johnson
Medium member
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Posted - 27/04/2024 : 17:30:30
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Originally posted by jkmarler
What do you know about the sister Brita / Bertha? Here is the death record of a Bertha Larcon born Norway 1843 dying in 1922:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MD-QFKZ
Well, her birthdate doesn't match the death record:
#141 Brita
Voss sokneprestembete, SAB/A-79001/H/Haa: Ministerialbok nr. A 13, 1836-1851, s. 79
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20070524640586
This is the information I have for Bertha in America.
Bertha Kolve
Birth: July 15, 1843 in Øvre Graue, Voss, Hordaland, Norway
Death: April 10, 1931 (87) in Eau Claire, Eau Claire County, WI, United States
Through my research, I was able to connect Bertha’s [https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/60152265/bertha_kolve] profile on find a grave to her parents and siblings |
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Edited by - carl johnson on 27/04/2024 17:46:07 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 27/04/2024 : 23:26:09
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I have done a search engine search for a number of names in these publications at Hathitrust.org :
Vossingen : organ for Vosselaget, no. 1-20 1920-1925 Published 1925
Vossingen : organ for Vosselaget, no. 21-33 1926-1937 Published 1937
For these names: Sarah Larkin/ Sarah (no last name), Sisselja (no last name), Kolve, Kolvi, Graue (of which there were numerous mentions but none seemed to relate to you), Eggjareir and no positive result for you
www.hathitrust.org
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carl johnson
Medium member
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Posted - 28/04/2024 : 15:32:26
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Originally posted by jkmarler
I have done a search engine search for a number of names in these publications at Hathitrust.org :
Vossingen : organ for Vosselaget, no. 1-20 1920-1925 Published 1925
Vossingen : organ for Vosselaget, no. 21-33 1926-1937 Published 1937
For these names: Sarah Larkin/ Sarah (no last name), Sisselja (no last name), Kolve, Kolvi, Graue (of which there were numerous mentions but none seemed to relate to you), Eggjareir and no positive result for you
www.hathitrust.org
Thank you for showing me the new search engine for when I run into dead ends. Every new source helps!
It can be frustrating when every search action for her in America comes up empty.
One other clue that just came to mind. Many years ago on this forum— I believe it might’ve been Kare—-mentioned that they saw a destination for Cecilia’s brothers was Woodstock Illinois, which is near Chicago. That may have been where Sarah lived because John and William’s immigration came later. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/04/2024 : 21:19:21
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| Wikipedia describes Woodstock, ill. today as one of the outer tier of suburbs of Chicago. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 28/04/2024 : 23:34:47
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Here is a lady born in Norway named Sarah V Larson. Married an Ole Melling . Lived in Chicago and Woodstock at one time or another. Interesting since she has a daughter named Cecelia. Lots of her background does not fit but the first Sarah I have seen that was worth pursuing.
Sarah Melling
in the Illinois, U.S., Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947
Name Sarah Melling
[Sarah Larson]
Birth Date 17 Jun 1857
Birth Place Stavanger, Norway
Death Date 5 Nov 1944
Death Place Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date 8 Nov 1944
Burial Place River Grove, Cook, lIllinois
Cemetery Name Elmwood Pk.
Death Age 87
Occupation Housewife
Race White
Marital Status W
Gender Female
Residence Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Name William Larson
Father Birth Place Stvanger, Norway
Mother Birth Place Stvanger, Norway
Spouse Name Ole Melling
FHL Film Number 1983254
Sarah Malling
Census • United States Census, 1900
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MS35-BYW
Here is the Siscilia of interest in 1865
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038235003705
Probably this lady and the wrong person unfortunately
Name Siri
Record Type dåp (Baptism)
Birth Date 15 Juni
Baptism Date 12. jul 1857 (12 Jul 1857)
Baptism Place Vikedal, Rogaland, Norge (Norway)
Baptism Municipality Imsland
Father
Viar Larsen
Mother
Martha Halvorsdt.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/255/pd00000010418626
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 29/04/2024 : 02:31:17
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Originally posted by carl johnson
Lars Bjørku fekk i 1845 skøyte hjå Anders, verfar sin for 950 spd. Med Sisselja hadde han borni Ingebjørg, Brita, Ragnhild, Anders, Anna og Lars. Ingebjørg og Lars hadde borni: Sisselja, Nils, Johannes, Brynjulv og Ingebjørg. Alle borni hans Lars reiste til Amerika sonær som Anders og Nils. Nils er f. 1860, g. m. Trina Nilsdr. Kvåle, Tkb., sjå bruk 4 Eggjareid. Anders Larsson f. 1848 gifte seg 1875 m. Marta Eiriksdr. Nedre Graudo og fekk skøyte på farsgarden i 1895 for 3200 kronor. Anders skøytte 1933 garden til Lars, son sin, for 10 000 kronor. Lars er f. 1878 og g. 1908 m. Anna Oddsdr. Tøn f. 1882.
This is how Google translates it
In 1845, Lars Bjørku got a skate from Anders, his great-grandfather, for 950 spd. With Sisselja he had children Ingebjørg, Brita, Ragnhild, Anders, Anna and Lars. Ingebjørg and Lars had children: Sisselja, Nils, Johannes, Brynjulv and Ingebjørg. All of Lars's children traveled to America as soon as Anders and Nils. Nils was born in 1860, married Trina Nilsdr. Kvåle, Tkb., see use 4 Eggjareid. Anders Larsson b. 1848 married 1875 m. Marta Eiriksdr. Lower Graudo and got a skate at the father's farm in 1895 for 3,200 kronor. In 1933, Anders sold the farm to Lars, his son, for 10,000 kroner. Lars was born in 1878 and married in 1908 with Anna Oddsdr. Tøn b. 1882
Some words / expressions Google Translate continues to have trouble with:
fekk i 1845 skøyte / got a skate Context-wise it appears to me to say he sold or purchased
verfar sin / his great-grandfather To me I read his father in law.
Norwegian speakers, any thoughts?
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Sarah Larkin born Cecilia Larsdatter
