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alhanson
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Canada
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Posted - 05/04/2005 :  23:25:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi!

Since my last posting (02/04/2005), I have had a big breakthrough! I now know that my g-grandfather Harald Edmund Hanson was born in Mandal, Norway. He married Gerhardine Alvilda Jensine Hansen from Rudkobing, Denmark (daughter of Hans Hansen born Sept 28, 1823 in Svenborg, Denmark). They were married in Ontario in 1884. An older brother -- Hjalmar Carl Hansen was also born in Mandal, Norway on Feb 10, 1850. Does anyone have any information abour Mandal, Norway? I also will want to learn more about where my g-grandmother came from, but I don't know if that's another list.

alhanson

Jo Anne Sadler
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
1100 Posts

Posted - 07/04/2005 :  03:03:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mandal is in Vest-Agder, Norway. You can rent the microfilms for the church records at a local Family History Center:

click here
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hasto
Senior member

Norway
294 Posts

Posted - 07/04/2005 :  04:31:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Harald Edmund Hansen was born 1859 on Skoie farm in Holum parish close to Mandal. He is listed on page 672 in Holum bygdebok (farm history book) as son of Hans Salvesen Skoie (1809-1863) and Inger Marie Markusdatter Ro, b. 1815. The book says Harald died in Canada.

In 1865 census of Skoie in Holum his mother is a widow: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f61020&gardpostnr=318&personpostnr=1377&merk=1377#ovre

I have his ancestors in my records: http://gw.geneanet.org/index.php3?b=hasto&lang=en;p=hans;n=skoie;oc=1
I think we are about 6th cousins. I am corresponding with an American who is descendant of his brother Martin.

Hjalmar Carl I think was not a brother. He was a foster child in Mandal in 1865 census: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f61002.wc2&gardpostnr=246&personpostnr=2005&merk=2005#ovre

Familysearch:
HJALMAR KARL
Christening: 05 JUN 1850 Mandal, Vest-Agder,
Father: HENRIK CLASSEN Mother: ELISE TØNNESEN

He probably was with his aunt in 1865.

Harald S Storaker
4586 Korshamn, Norge
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schansen
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Australia
2 Posts

Posted - 27/09/2015 :  12:12:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello - just picked this post up when doing a Google search and recognised a lot in common from my own family tree. Gerhardine was the daughter of Hans Hansen (my 3xg-grandfather) and Elise Tonneson. Elise was born in Mandal 8th Oct 1827. Elise and Hans had 6 children, one of whom was Gerhardine. 3 of the others (Hakon, Hjalmar (my 2xg-grandfather) and Hulda emigrated to Scotland). Hans' parents were Christian (1796-1853) and Ida Schon (1802-1853). Elise's parents were Hans Clausen Tonneson (b1801) and Marie Christensen(b1806)
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JaneC
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USA
2860 Posts

Posted - 27/09/2015 :  16:06:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi schansen. You are descended from Hjalmar in the family below? Danish skipper Hans Hansen b 1824 was his stepfather.


1860 Danish Census
Rudkøbing Købstad, Langelands Nørre, Svendborg
Hans Hansen b 1824, skipper b Svendborg
Elise f Tønnesen b 1828 NORGE
Hjalmar Hansen 10 b 1850 Norge
Ida Hansen 5 b 1855 Svendborg
Hakon Hansen 4 b 1856 Svendborg
Hulda Hansen 2 b 1858 Rudkøbing
Gunhardine Hansen 1 b 1859 Rudkøbing
http://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/cid8586358


A descendant posted more specifics here (full names, dates, locations):
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DENMARK/2001-10/1003095974


Here is the birth of Hjalmar Carl in Mandal 10 February 1850, unmarried parents Elise Tønnesen of Mandal and Heinrich Clausen from Hamborg:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060510020582.jpg


A direct male to male to male line of descent from Hjalmar will have different Y-DNA than a male to male to male descendant of Hakon.


In 1840 in Svendborg amt, Christian Hansen and Ida Schouv have a son Hans Hansen age 17, " farer til søes" - he has gone to sea. Probably "Schon" is a typo for Schou.


On the link below is 1865 census in Mandal, Vest-Agder, for a couple that matches your description of Elise's parents. Hans Clausen Tønnesen is noted as born in Marstal, Denmark - salvaging one branch of Danish heritage for you - but wait, Hans's dad is said (by a Geni family tree) to be born in Norway:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038174000579


In the opening a "brother Hjalmar" was mentioned - this was likely meant to mean brother to Gerhardine (not her husband) but the original poster never returned to clarify.

If you want to connect with him, click on his username and send an email (if he doesn't reurn here). Hope this helps!


Edited by - JaneC on 28/09/2015 04:44:20
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schansen
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Australia
2 Posts

Posted - 29/09/2015 :  02:19:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HI JaneC. Thanks for the information on this - it filled in some gaps I had. I am descended from Hjalmar of this family - my grandfather had written out a bit of a story about Hjalmar (his grandfather) and had also put in a family tree as he knew it which had Hans as his great-grandfather, was probably not aware of the unmarried parents situation. My grandfathers handwritten note is in line with the Denmark post as it agreed with Hakon, Hjalmar and Hulda (Constance) moving to Scotland. Based on the information and timing of marriages and births can see how Hjalmar was born out of wedlock to Elise prior to her marrying Hans.
Sort of takes Hans Hansen out of the family line despite my grandfathers well put together note.
Regards
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
2860 Posts

Posted - 29/09/2015 :  04:34:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I see, yes, perhaps Hjalmar, or Hjalmar's son at least, never knew the story. But how wonderful that your grandfather preserved that family history as he did. Your Norwegian family were world citizens who moved about and their whereabouts would have been difficult to track, from Australia back and back - to Hjalmar's half-siblings and mother and more - without his account. A treasure!

Edited by - JaneC on 29/09/2015 04:54:18
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iananderson
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Canada
2 Posts

Posted - 27/04/2018 :  18:58:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi guys I recently came across Harald Edmund Hanson's journal at an auction here in Ontario Canada. It starts 1st September 1884 with the final entry 1915. He has missed several years in between but makes compelling reading Also a few newspaper clippings one about his Norwegian clock. I would love to get this back to someone in the family as it also contains his business dealings etc. Could you please help me in some way Thanks

Ian Anderson
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lyndal40
Norway Heritage Veteran

USA
6109 Posts

Posted - 27/04/2018 :  21:11:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did you send her an e-mail through the norwayheritage system. I will send her one and we will see if she responds.
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