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TomHammer
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Posted - 12/02/2018 :  16:15:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I’m looking for the ship manifests for this family. I know most, if not all of them, were in the 1875 Norway Census and some of them started showing up in the US Census in 1880 or later. The US Census data shows they probably came to the US between 1878 and 1881.

Name Gender DOB Birthplace
Peder Kristiansen Male 1829 Vaaler
Hellene Ulrikke Halvorsdatter Female 1828 Gjæsaasen Aasnæs
Carl Pedersen Male 10 JAN 1854
Anton Pedersen Male 12 NOV 1855 Vaaler Prgj
Halvor Pedersen Male 7 DEC 1857 Vaaler Prgj
Pauli Pedersen Male 24 OCT 1859 Vaaler Prgj
Herman Pedersen Male 3 JUL 1861 Vaaler Prgj
Anne Marie Pedersdatter Female 6 JUL 1863 Vaaler Prgj
Rekka Pedersdatter Female 1 JAN 1866 Vaaler Prgj
Kristiane Pedersdatter Female 2 JAN 1868 Vaaler Prgj
Karen Pedersdatter Female 9 OCT 1870 Vaaler Prgj
Gunerius Pedersen Male 26 JUL 1873 Vaaler Prgj

Some of the family initially settled in Minnesota or North Dakota. After arriving in the US, the surname became Hammer and some of the first names appear “Americanized”.
Peter Christiansen
Helen
Carl August Hammer
Anton P Hammer
Halvor P Hammer
Paul Pedersen Hammer
Herman Hammer
Annie Marie Pedersen Hammer
Rachel Hammer
Christina Hammer
Carrie Hammer
Gilbert P Hammer

Thanks for your help,
Tom

lyndal40
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Posted - 12/02/2018 :  17:20:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a good part of the family leaving in 1880. Or at least seven of them.

Link

Sometimes this old source gives the whole family on one page.

Web Meta

Their arrival into Canada

Helene Hammerson
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Helene Hammerson
Gender: Female
Age: 53
Birth Year: abt 1827
Date of Arrival: 21 Jun 1880
Vessel: Sarmatian
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland

Edited by - lyndal40 on 12/02/2018 23:14:49
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lyndal40
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Posted - 12/02/2018 :  17:35:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a Karl leaving in 1881, Karl might have been married with a child by then?

WebMeta

Link

Edited by - lyndal40 on 12/02/2018 22:21:22
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TomHammer
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Posted - 12/02/2018 :  19:13:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank You! Not sure if this Karl is the same one. I found a reference that shows Carl and Pauli Pedersen may have departed Liverpool and arrived in New York on 21 April 1879. Can you find this reference? My records show Carl was married in Minnesota in 1887, but he could have had a prior marriage.

Also, here is the remaining family members and the year a US Census shows they immigrated: Peder (don't know), Anton (1878), Halvor (1881), Paul (1879).
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TomHammer
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Posted - 12/02/2018 :  21:40:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is the Carl and Pauli Pederson reference:https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-R39X-4V?i=337&wc=MX6L-JM9%3A165862101%3Fcc%3D1849782&cc=1849782

The name and ages are about right, but it lists Pauli as a female (should be male) and "Spinster" (not sure what that is).
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lyndal40
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Posted - 12/02/2018 :  22:09:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That is a good find for Carl and Pauli, here is the Ancestry transcriptions.

Carl Pederson
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Carl Pederson
Arrival Date: 21 Apr 1879
Birth Date: abt 1854
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: City of New York

Pauli Pederson
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Pauli Pederson
Arrival Date: 21 Apr 1879
Birth Date: abt 1860
Age: 19
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Norwegian
Place of Origin: Norway
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: City of New York

Here is the emigration of Pauli, unmarried worker.

Link

And Carl

Link

In the older data base Pauli is listed as a male so I think you have found two more of the family.

WebMeta

I will x out my earlier find of a Karl

Edited by - lyndal40 on 12/02/2018 22:20:49
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lyndal40
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Posted - 12/02/2018 :  22:27:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe Halvor was 1878. Here is a good candidate.

Link

WebMeta

Likely his arrival into New York. I would ignore the nationality, the list of people marked as German have a very Norwegian flavor.

Halver Pederson
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Halver Pederson
Arrival Date: 21 Aug 1878
Birth Date: abt 1858
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: German
Place of Origin: Germany
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Wyoming

Edited by - lyndal40 on 12/02/2018 22:49:03
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lyndal40
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Posted - 13/02/2018 :  01:42:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This might be your Peder Christensen leaving Vaaler in 1879. See number 40 right hand page

#40

If I am reading it correctly it looks as if the farm name after him is Stathammer.

Not an easy find but I will bet this is him under the name Peder C. Strathammer. Leaving on July 4, 1879.

Link

WebMeta

Edited by - lyndal40 on 13/02/2018 02:54:22
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peder
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Posted - 13/02/2018 :  14:30:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
source: 'my heritage' paid subscription



Also known as: Anton Pedersen
Gender: Male
Birth: Nov 12 1855
Våler, Hedmark, Norway
Christening: Dec 9 1855
Våler, Hedmark, Norway
Immigration: 1878
Residence: 1855
Våler, Hedmark, Norway
Death: Jan 7 1916
Eureka Township, Dakota, Minnesota, United States
Burial: Jan 10 1916
Eureka Township, Dakota, Minnesota, United States
Parents: Peder Kristiansen
Hellene Ulrikke Kristiansen (born Halvorsdatter)
Siblings: Rachel Hammer
Carrie Condy (born Hammer)
Christina Downe (born Hammer)
Carl August Hammer
Halvor P Hammer
Herman Hammer
Paul Pedersen Hammer
Gilbert P. Hammer
Annie Marie Peterson Skofstad (born Hammer)
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peder
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Posted - 13/02/2018 :  14:44:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&filnamn=DAKO1880&gardpostnr=10915&merk=10915#ovre
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TomHammer
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Posted - 13/02/2018 :  17:42:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
lyndal40, nice find about Peder. Most of the information lines up. He originally settled in Eureka, near Northfield, MN. I believe this is Paul, Halvor, and Peder living together in the 1880 US Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GYB6-QFP?i=10&wc=QZ2W-XVN%3A1589406338%2C1589406927%2C1589395302%2C1589395305%3Fcc%3D1417683&cc=1417683

Tom
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TomHammer
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Posted - 13/02/2018 :  18:03:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
peder, I think this entry for Carl A Hammer is a child of a different family (Knudt & Anna) and/or a grandson to Peder Christiansen, not his son. It says he is 1 year old and born in Dak (assume it means Dakota Territory, USA).

Tom
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lyndal40
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Posted - 13/02/2018 :  18:22:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Usually when I find the emigration record I can then find the arrival record. Not easy fro your Peder Christiansen however. Many of the people leaving at the same time as Peder did arrived July 19 on the Circassian. The date is about right but I can not find any trace of him on that ship. Here is one of the passengers who left Norway the same date as Peder and is in the WebMeta List. There are several others leaving on that same date also on this ship.

Petter H Stubard
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Petter H Stubard
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Birth Year: abt 1855
Date of Arrival: 19 Jul 1879
Vessel: Circassian
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland

The closest find is a Peder Christiansen arriving on the Sarmatian on July 13, however this date is a little short for the usual trip time and his birth year is way off. But the original document is very difficult to read so maybe?

Peter Christensen
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Peter Christensen
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Birth Year: abt 1850
Date of Arrival: 13 Jul 1879
Vessel: Sarmatian
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland

Edited by - lyndal40 on 13/02/2018 18:25:19
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TomHammer
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Posted - 14/02/2018 :  22:13:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
lyndal40, have you found anything on Anton? A US Census shows his immigration date as 1878, so I wonder if maybe he was travelling with Halvor.

Tom
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lyndal40
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Posted - 15/02/2018 :  00:30:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No, no sign of Anton, rather strange. If you check the WebMeta link I posted for Halvor you will see that Halvor is traveling alone. With what we know he should not be this hard so the only thing to do is keep looking.
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TomHammer
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Posted - 21/02/2018 :  16:31:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe this is Anton in the 1875 Norway Census. He must have went to work on this farm and may have lived here when he left for the United States. It's possible he may have travelled to the US with others from this farm:
www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1875&knr=0416&kenr=001&bnr=0048&lnr=00

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7N3-CMR?from=lynx1&treeref=MR4N-HK9

Edited by - TomHammer on 21/02/2018 16:41:40
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