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snuppaelena
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 Posted - 19/02/2015 : 04:47:02
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Emma S. Moen
Born August 12, 1857
in Vågå, Norway
She immigrated to Minnesota and married there in 1880
I am trying to find any of her family before she immigrated. I have all the information on her after, of her marriage, where she lived and children. One of her daughters is my great grandmother.
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Geir Dybvig
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 10:03:02
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Originally posted by snuppaelena
Emma S. Moen
Born August 12, 1857
in Vågå, Norway
She immigrated to Minnesota and married there in 1880
I am trying to find any of her family before she immigrated. I have all the information on her after, of her marriage, where she lived and children. One of her daughters is my great grandmother.
It would be helpful to have a bit more information on Emma's life in US. One great source and possibility is that there may be a source here of which you are unaware and have not accessed. Humor me. |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 10:06:10
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Her parents were Jacob Jacobsen and Anne Knudsdatter, Smedstuen.
Smedstuen is a farm at Sel in Opland.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 10:25:08
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Most often to identify an immigrant's native roots (parents, birth family) one must develop identifying details (clues) about the person in the new country. Only info shared in the forum can aid the forum.
Is it your Emma discussed here?
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Edited by - JaneC on 21/02/2015 14:06:04 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 11:24:31
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| Ingeborg (and all spellings) and Ambjorg are often "Anglicized" to Emma. |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 11:42:18
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Another post re Emma:
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The death date given on the above post matches the following death in Washington state, but it's an old post and likely the death date was a mistake, is that right? Parents named here don't sound Norwegian.
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Back in an edit to say later evidence proves it is a different Emma who died in Washington on the stated date. The person who posted that info made a mistake. |
Edited by - JaneC on 21/02/2015 14:08:43 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 11:45:09
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If the Emma Moen who married Amund Larson in Minnesota in 1880 is the correct Emma Moen, then #163 is the correct person:
Source information: Oppland county, Lom, Parish register (official) nr. 6A (1837-1863), Birth and baptism records 1857, page 219.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8915&idx_id=8915&uid=ny&idx_side=-221
The church record of the marriage says her parents are Ole O Moen and Eli Johnsdatter and that she, aged 23 is born in Lom. |
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jkmarler
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 11:54:31
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Amund Larson of the marriage mentioned above is also born in Lom, aged 24 and his parents are Lars Hanson and Mari Olsdatter.
On the same page as the Amund Larson / Emma Moen marriage there is a Hans O. Moen with the same parents marrying, I'll go back & collect his information.
Hans' baptism #16 he was illegitimate:
Source information: Oppland county, Lom, Parish register (official) nr. 6A (1837-1863), Birth and baptism records 1853, page 164.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8915&idx_id=8915&uid=ny&idx_side=-166
Hans O. Moen age 28 born Lom parents Ole O. Moen and Eli Johnsdatter
m. Kari Syvertsen age 25 born Lom parents Syvert Olsen and Marith Hansdatter married 11 Oct 1880 same witnesses for both marriages:
K.H. Helling and Ole Sorhaugen
Church is Long Lake Lutheran
20 Year old Hans O. Turmoen leaving Lom #19 and Ole Olson Turmoen (as d.o.) age 13 1/4 #20:
Source information: Oppland county, Lom, Parish register (official) nr. 7 (1863-1884), Emigration records 1873, page 331.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6072&idx_id=6072&uid=ny&idx_side=-284 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 19/02/2015 16:32:17 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 12:01:45
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| I'd call that a BINGO, pending confirmation that this poster is seeking Ammund Larson's wife. One of those old Rootsweb posts recounts family story that Emma and Ammund worked together on farms "near Lom." |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 12:15:57
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Here is the family (not showing a Hans) in 1865 on farm Turmoen in Lom:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038058000690
Interestingly, Emma's father born Vaage. Emma is namesake for her father's mother.
Ole Olson Moen and Eli Johnsdatter marriage #28
Source information: Oppland county, Lom, Parish register (official) nr. 6B (1837-1863), Marriage records 1854, page 423.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8916&idx_id=8916&uid=ny&idx_side=-57
Eli Turmoen 45 leaves Lom for America with 4 children (not named) #16-20:
Source information: Oppland county, Lom, Parish register (official) nr. 7 (1863-1884), Emigration records 1876, page 334.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=6072&idx_id=6072&uid=ny&idx_side=-287
Here is Amund Larson's family in 1865 census also in Lom:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/ft/person/pf01038058003728
Amund's baptism #163
Source information: Oppland county, Lom, Parish register (official) nr. 6A (1837-1863), Birth and baptism records 1856, page 209.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8915&idx_id=8915&uid=ny&idx_side=-211 |
Edited by - jkmarler on 19/02/2015 16:28:32 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 12:29:30
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Find a Grave Memorial for Hans O. Moen. According to FAG he was born 25 Dec 1852, died 04 April 1933. Burial Albion Lutheran Church Cemetery, Brown County, Minnesota:
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The parents buried same cemetery as Hans. According to Find a Grave they are Ole O Moen (1818-1894) and Eli J Moen (1823-1908):
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Back to add this:
Minnesota Historical Society Death Index
MOEN, EELI
Date of Death: 17 MAR 1908
County of Death: BROWN
CERTID# 1908-MN-001192
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snuppaelena: What source have you for birth place of Vågå for Emma? A family story? Since the parents also immigrated, and Ole Olsen Moen was born in Vågå , that could explain why US descendants remember Vågå as a place of origin for the family.
What is the source of middle initial S? (You gave Emma's name as Emma S Moen). A mistake?
Are you familiar with the Norwegian naming conventions? Is it clear why Emma Moen seems to us like a match to Embjør Olsdatter (born 12 August 1857 in Lom, Oppland, Norway with parents Ole Olsen, Moen and Eli Johnsdatter).
Your Emma would be born with a patronymic name based on her father's first name. This is true even though that patronymic name didn't show up in US records. In her case, Olsen (Ole's child). In traditional Norway, the address name (Moen) is sometimes used, sometimes not, and it changes when the person moves. In USA, Emma's family chose to use the address name "Moen" as a USA-style surname (permanent surname where children use father's last name).
In 1865 a 14-year-old Hans Olsen born in Lom is working on a farm nearby and could be Emma's brother. |
Edited by - JaneC on 21/02/2015 14:11:04 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 16:31:56
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jkmarler posted Hans Olsen Moen probable emigration as "Hans Olsen Turmoen" noted in Lom church book 1873. Remember that Olsen family lived on the farm Turmoen in the 1865 census. Seemingly the name Moen, used in the USA, is short for Turmoen.
Here's a typed version of the same record for Hans Olsen Turmoen:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/en-gb/gen/vis/8/pe00000000009718
On this Norway Heritage website, search emigrants departing to find
a transcription. The person who typed it read the name as "Furmoen."
Hans Olsen Furmoen, age 21, from Lom, laborer, traveling to Milwaukee, Min. (sic)
Departing Christiania (Oslo) 19 April 1873 on the ship Pontecorvo
Arriving Quebec, Canada, 02 June 1873
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_list.asp?jo=1525&ps=91958
In those days Norwegian immigrants to USA typically traveled via Quebec.
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Edited by - JaneC on 19/02/2015 16:46:25 |
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snuppaelena
Starting member
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 16:48:37
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Thank you everyone! I am excited as I feel I am starting to make progress in my search.
I do know that Emma and Amund had 11 children. They were in Minnesota and then to Washington and Idaho.
I also know Amund's father was Lars Hansen Rusten born December 18, 1823 in Lom. Amund's mother was Mary Serkland.
I will find out more as I at work and do not have my books with me.
Thank you! I couldn't find out this information without you! |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 17:41:18
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According to Ancestry.com database of US Postmaster appointments, Hans O. Moen was postmaster in Albin, Brown, Minnesota.
1920 US census, Hans O. Moen, from Family Search:
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Edited by - JaneC on 19/02/2015 22:46:27 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/02/2015 : 20:57:41
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quote:
Originally posted by snuppaelena
Thank you everyone! I am excited ... I also know Amund's father was Lars Hansen Rusten born December 18, 1823 in Lom. Amund's mother was Mary Serkland.
It is exciting, yes!
In 1865 census Amund lives with father Lars Hansen, a widower, on Sønstenæstræet in census district Sønstenæss og Lien.
In Amund's birth-baptism record, his parents are Lars Hansen, Sønstenæss--(? hard to read) and Mari Olsdatter. "Mary Serkland" would have a patronymic name that isn't being stated (like Olsdatter or Olsen, Larsdatter or Larsen). A person can have more than one address name (such as Serkland) in his/her life. Hope you'll post the source of your information (your documentation).
Here is the marriage record of Lars Hansen and Mari Olsdatter, 19 May 1852 in Lom, Oppland (Source: Oppland fylke, Lom, Ministerialbok nr. 6B (1837-1863), Ekteviede 1852, side 414.):
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In the above marriage record, father of Lars is Hans Jacobsen; Mari's father is Ole Hansen.
The place name "Rusten" is not part of this record either - nor is "Serkland." Lar's place name again looks like Sønstenæ. (Some forum contributors are really good are reading these old scripts.)
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Here is a Lars Hansen Rusten who went to North America in 1858, whereas Amund's dad is in Norway in 1865 - maybe it's just a coincidence of names:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/22/pe00000000253733
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1900
Albin, Brown, Minnesota
Hans O Moen 47 born Dec 1852 in Norway, to USA 1873
Carrie Moen 46 b May 1854 Norway, to USA 1880, married 1881
Ella M Moen 18 b Sep 1881 Minnesota
Oliver S Moen 14 b Aug 1885 Minnesota
Anven B Moen 7 b Oct 1892 Minnesota
(per census Carrie has had 6 children; 3 are living)
At least one nother Hans O Moen born about 1852 in Norway is living in Minnesota (Douglas county) at this time. The above Hans matches your Emma's brother, being born in December and emigrating 1873.
1910 US Census
Albin, Brown, Minnesota
Hans O Moen 57 b abt 1853 Norway to USA 1873
Kari Moen 54 b Norway to USA 1880
Oliver S Moen 24
Enver B Moen 17
1920
Albin, Brown, Minnesota
Hans Moen 67 born about 1853 Norway, to USA 1873
Kari Moen 65 to USA 1880 - they are US citizens
Oliver Moen 34
Hervie Moen 3
Elmer B Moen 27
1930
Albin, Brown, Minnesota
A*R B Moen 38
Carrie S Moen 76
Hans O Moen 77 b abt 1853 Norway to USA 1873
Myrtle C Moen 15
Harwin M Moen 13
Again, Find a Grave information for Hans: born 25 Dec 1852, died 04 April 1933. Burial Albion Lutheran Church Cemetery, Brown County, Minnesota
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Edited by - JaneC on 20/02/2015 14:13:31 |
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