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Lueke
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 Posted - 19/08/2011 : 04:51:55
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I can try to rescan, but the sad fact is that the photo has incomplete writing on it, which is the problem.
I don't know when the photo was taken, but I am assuming it represents members of Ellen Olsen's family; as the two young men's faces do resemble hers. My mother's notes just say: Norway photo. I can also ask my relative if there were any more such photos. One relative has her prayer book (in Norwegian), and that contained a picture of her son, my grandfather, as a young boy or man. But not much more on notes. But I'll check.
Sincerely,
Edith
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Originally posted by jkmarler
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Originally posted by eibache
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Oxxx(I can't read this word) Kuntsdtr. Skjeggedal.
It is only a few Skjeggedal farms in Norway (possibly 8). It would be nice if you can tell what time the Photo was taken, also could Kuntsdtr. be Knutsdtr? and how many letters are there after the O in the given name?
A scanned text may also give a possibility to read it.
The unknown word appears to be Gure or Guro. The original is handwritten, so appears to be a woman's name or signature.
Jackie M.
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Lueke
Junior member
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Posted - 19/08/2011 : 04:54:17
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Is there anyone on the manifest who could be Ellen Olsen, who states she came in about 1882, arriving in May, at Quebec.
Edith
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Originally posted by jwiborg
A possibility:
B Evenson (38)
Ship: SS Dominion
Shipping Line: Dominion Line
Departure: Liverpool, England - 1882-05-25, Belfast, Ireland - 1882-05-26
Arrival: Quebec, Que. - 1882-06-07
He is listed as single on the manifest...
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7865 Posts |
Posted - 19/08/2011 : 12:26:02
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Originally posted by lyndal40
Here is a candidate for you. Although the transcriber writes her name as Eli, a look at the orginal manifest would lead one to write the name as Oli or perhaps in its Norwegian form Øli. The month of arrival in Quebec is correct and the birth year is very close to 1858. It would be very nice to find her Norwegian emigration record to confirm this.
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Eli Olsdatter
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Date of Arrival: 16 May 1882
Vessel: Circassian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Circassian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland; Queenstown, Ireland
If the date range now includes May 1882, this woman should be in...
Jackie M.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 19/08/2011 : 19:44:14
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Hi Edith and all,
Edith sent me a pdf of Ellen Garske's homestead record. I've been searching to see if there might be any additional clue about her origin in Norway. A couple of interesting details have surfaced in it but very litte to point to one candidate or another.
1. Ellen apparently took two types of land claims in US. The Homestead Entry H.E. has already been cited. In the file on it that Edith shared, Ellen, in the claimants testimony, mentions that she took a P.E .(preemption entry) in 1883 and owns it. There is an Ellen Olson who got 1/4 section of Section 35, in Township 157, Range 64 in Ramsey County in 1888 so this may be Ellen Garske's PE claim.
2. Ellen's HE file does not contain her declaration of intention but does include an abstract of her husband Charles Garske's citizenship. There is a small note on the page labeled "#503 Homestead Application" application date Sept 8 1884 but beneath in different handwriting "Suspend---Naturalization" Perhaps there was some issue with Ellen's own declaration record--"lost, mistook, mislaid?"-- and even though Charles Garske was not her husband at the filing date of Sept 8, 1884, the marriage date of 8 Dec 1884 is emphasized in both Ellen's testimony and that of her witness Christian Olson Lee, so Garske's citizenship makes Ellen a US citizen also and felt to be eligible to prove her claim.
3. The witnesses called to testify in support of Ellen's homestead claim were 4 men: Martin J. Bennett, A.J. McDonald, Charles Tufford and Christian Lee. The only apparent Norwegian in the bunch is Christian Lee. He is named in the file as both Christian Lee and Christian Olson Lee and he signs his name as Christian Olsen Lee. The record only required 2 of the 4 witnesses to submit written testimony. How the process worked in selecting which of the named witnesses to depose for the record, I don't know, but Charles Tufford and Christian Lee were the two selected for Ellen's.
Christian Olsen Lee is an interesting man. His land bounded the Ellen Olson claim in Section 35 to the length of a mile. Other people with homesteads in that section were Marthe Lee and Hans Olsen Lee. I thought it might be worth a search to see if Ellen might be related to these folks.
According to the Ramsey County centennial history published in 1983, Christian was one of 6 children, 2 boys, 4 girls and of these four of them, Christian, brother Hans, sisters Mary and Lena came to America. The story says he was born in Drøbak (but the parish registers covering Christian's birth year 1853 were destroyed by fire and are not available), that he came to America in 1883 and that he was married to a woman identified as Agnette Samuelson. She came later with their first 4 children. I looked in the parish registers of Drøbak for records on Christian and found his marriage to Karen / Maren Agnette Johansdatter (her father was Johan Samuelson and his was Ole Hansen), Christian's utflyttede record, Agnette's and children's utflyttede but no other entry which appeared to be about the siblings. Kristian Olson from Drøbak is also in the emigrants list from Oslo in 1883 with a destination in US of Larimore (which is in North Dakota). Since it seems that family wanted to stick together, it was worthwhile to look into their fates. I was most particularly interested in Lena since her name might have been a nickname for someone named Ellen.
In the history it says she married a man named "Frank Hannett"was the mother of 1 boy and six girls that they lived near the other sister Mary (who married Julius Johnson) near Webster, North Dakota. I searched for the name Hannett but found no references. However in the 1885 Dakota Territorial census transcription online looking for Christian Lee (he was actually carried as Christian Olson) I spied a family headed by a Frank Hornet who had a wife named Lena and a child named Mary. In the naturalization database his name is recorded as Frank Honett. Lena was listed as age 29.
Pending some other factual development there is no apparent blood relationship between Christian Lee and Ellen Olson Garske.
I don't know the requirements to claim a Preemption Entry.
So that picture with the name of Guro Knutsdtr Skj{e]ggedal on it is the best evidence remaining (in addition to the obituary) to connect Ellen to a place in Norway. There are a surprizing number of Ellen / Elen in Aust-Agder. I think it very probable that Øli mentioned before is Ellen, in spite of some bumps in the Ellen records over here (birthdate for one) Are there any further records (like a birth of a child, or her own death) on Øli in Norway?
Sorry to all for this enormously detailed and long post. The Devil is in the detail....
Jackie M.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 20/08/2011 : 17:28:16
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A curiosity.
Søndre Skjeggedal of today offers wilderness trips.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/08/2011 : 23:43:59
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The Bygdebok for Åmli shows that Børuf Eivindson Vrålstad born 1843 took a second wife in 1878 named Eli Olsdtr. Skjeggedal born 1858, It ges on to say that of the children of these nothing is known. Børuf travelled to America in 1882, The farm ie bruk nr 8 at Vrålstad ws sold at auction to a Niklos Olson at 7100 kroner for this building, building nr 11 and a piece of Øvre Skjeggedal that was bruk nr. 336B.
The section on Nedre Skjeggedal shows that Børuf Eivindson Vrålstad married Signe Savesdtr. in 1864. Signe was born in 1842. Died in 1876.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/08/2011 : 00:07:32
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From the Åmli bygdebok. Eli Olsdtr. was born 1858 at Nedre Skjeggedal. Her father was Olav Areson born 1830 , died 1901. Her mother was Tora Knutsdr. Tveit born 1837 died 1864. She had one brother Knut born 1863 married Guro Neresdtr Ytre Rase in 1888 and Anlaug Halvorsdtr. in 1904, Knut appears to have stayed in Norway.
Olav Areson was married again in 1869 to Gunhiild Ånonsdtr. Eppleland born 1840. They had eight children, two of whom died young. Children that grew up were named Tora, Are, Kari, Signe, Ånon and Anne. Two that died early were named Anne and Anne. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 21/08/2011 : 08:21:46
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Hi,
Excellent information. So Øli probably has a potentially large pot load of relatives left in Norway.
Do the bygdeboks tell anything about Guro Knutsdatter Skjeggedal? I wonder if she might be Øli's mother's sister?
Tora Knutsdatter Tveit.
I searched the Tovdal / åmli parish registers from 1878-1905 for a death for Øli but found none. The only Øli Olsdatter death seen was Ole Ahreson Skjeggedal's mother.
The bygdebok had nothing about Børuf Eivindson returning to Norway nor about where in US he settled?
Curiouser and curiouser.
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jkmarler
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/08/2011 : 00:27:43
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The Åmli bygdebok has a section on Tveit. Here is what it has on Tora Knutsdatter Tveit.
Knut Nottoson Såghus born 1798 died 1853 married first Anne Danielsdtr Åkhus, no children. Second wife was Gunhild Olsdtr. Ø Ramse born 1805 died 1881. Had the following children. Olav 1824, Daniel 1826, Anne 1830, Tora 1837 g 1854 to Olav Areson N. Skjeggdal and Anne. Three children died young. Tallak, Svenn, and Tolf. No evidence of a Guro.
The Åmli bygdebok only stated that Børuf left for America in 1882, but did not mention his wife Eli (Øli) or say what became of her. However since the property was sold at auction, perhaps she was already gone or left that same year.
It would be nice to find the emigation records for these two and see if the match up with B Evenson found by Jan Peter and the Eli Olsdatter who also arrived in Quebec in 1882. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 22/08/2011 : 01:29:24
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Hi,
Yes finding them there would be a good thing.
Finding a Guro Knutsdatter Skjeggedal will also help with circumstantially tying Ellen to Øli and that place. So Guro doesn't appear to be an aunt to Ellen, but perhaps there is some other type of relationship.
There is for sure a Guro Knutsdatter on Skjeggedal. She was born in 1853 and was married to a man named Ole Knudson Skjeggedal who was born in 1837. These facts are in the baptismal record of their daughter Guro who was born in 1880 in Tovdal.
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jkmarler
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Posted - 22/08/2011 : 12:22:20
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Hi,
In the Aamli bygdebok, is Børuf Eivindsen mentioned as owner of Engenes, the farm on which he died?
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 22/08/2011 : 13:36:03
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Børuf's brother Angrim Evenson Fiskvatn in census-1900 for Auburn, Vienna, Wallace, Fremont & Logan Township School Districts, Campbell, South Dakota:
Angram Evinson,born May 1849, Norway, imm 1870.
Isabel Evinson, born Jun 1843, Norway, imm 1870.
Ole Evinson, born Apr 1880, South Dakota
Josephina Evinson, born Sep 1886, Washington
Annie Evinson, born Dec 1888, Washington
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AntonH
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Posted - 22/08/2011 : 17:00:38
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Yes there is a Olav born 1837 in th Åmli bygdebok. He is Olav Knutson Skjeggedal married in 1874 to Guro Knutsdatter Risdal. born 1852. They had the following children
Kirsti born 1875, Torborg born 1877, Guro born 1880 (probably the Guro you have referred to), Gunhld born 1884 and Knut born 1887.
If I get some time this week I will check on the Risdal farm to find out who are the parents of Guro Knutsdtter Risdal and her siblings and see if there is any connection to Øli Olsdatter. It is possible there is a connecton since the bygdebok goes on to mention that Olav and Guro lived on both Skjeggedal and Risdal but sold both of them to Olav Areson, (Ølis father) and moved to Østerhus in Landvik. |
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AntonH
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Olsen or Ohlsen Christiansand to Minnesota
