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Juanita Kronen
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 Posted - 14/04/2009 : 15:04:37
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I am looking for information on my great-great-grandmother and her family who originated from Sor-Trondelag, I believe they were from Børsa. I have very little clear information to work with so I have been unable to locate any documentation from Norway. I do have information on her after she arrived in the United States.
Her name was Jennie Johanna Scholberg, she was born Sept. 16, 1861, in Sor-Trondelag and she came to the United States in 1882 with her sister Ellen Maria Scholberg. On the American documents I have, the names of her parents are not so clear. Her father is listed as Sorenson and L.M. Lorenson and her mother is listed as Lena Rutcha and Lena Sorenson. These names were recorded in 1884 Marriage Records from Sioux City, Iowa, so there may have been a language barrier. I am assuming that her father's first name may have been either Loren or Soren. The last name Rutcha does not appear to me to be a name familiar to Norway.
Any assistance with helping me locate information on this family would be greatly appreciated. |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 14/04/2009 : 17:06:20
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Emigration from Trondheim on 25 AUG 1881:
Marie Skjølberg (40), residence Trondheim
Jenny Skjølberg (18), residence Børsen
Their destination was Northwood, Iowa, via Kristiania and Bremen, Germany.
Census-1865
Jens Sørensen Schjølberg (71)
Elen Olsdatter, his wife (58)
Erik Jensen, daughter (19)
Jensine Jensdtr, daughter (16)
Søren Martinus Schjølberg, son (35)
Line Marie Schjølberg, his wife (28)
Elen Marie Schjølberg, daughter (8)
Jenny Johanna Schjølberg, daughter (5)
Jenny Johanna's parents are Søren Martinus Schjølberg & Line Marie Schjølberg.
Jens Sørensen Schjølberg (71) & Elen Olsdatter (58) are her g.parents.
Jens Sørensen Schjølberg is probably from the Schjølberg farm in Orkdal, Sør-Trøndelag.
Jenny Johanna's christening record is on top of this page.
Source: Sør-Trøndelag county, Børsa, Parish register (official) nr. 665A07 (1856-1878), Birth and baptism records 1862, page 43.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 14/04/2009 17:25:37 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 14/04/2009 : 17:59:17
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Elen Maria's chr record: #61
Her mother is listed as Lina Johansdatter Ratkja. Father is listed as Søren Jensen Schjølberg.
This looks like her mother (#16):
Olina Marie Johansdatter Ratke
Birth: 27 Sep 1837, Hitra, Sør-Trøndelag
Christening: 01 Jan 1838, Hitra, Sør-Trøndelag
Parents: Johan Ditlev Ratke & Magdalena Monsdr
The name looks to be spelled Ratchje today.
Olina Marie had a brother named Georg Hendrik Ratkje, born 04 Dec 1830
The picture below is of his son Johan G. Ratkje (b 1875), a first cousin to Jenny Johanna. Pictured 1905 on Hopsjø, Hitra, Sør-Trøndelag.
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 14/04/2009 18:13:58 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 14/04/2009 : 20:30:25
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Marie Sckjolberg (40) & Fennie Schjolberg (0) arrived Baltimore on Sep. 14, 1881, on the ship S/S Weser from The Norddeutscher Lloyd. Departure Bremen, Germany
Source: Baltimore Passenger Lists, 1820-1948
Jennie ("Fennie") is indexed as 0 years old.
Looks like Jennie Johanna emigrated together with her mother Line Marie, not her sister Ellen Maria...?
Jan Peter |
Edited by - jwiborg on 15/04/2009 00:07:30 |
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Juanita Kronen
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29 Posts |
Posted - 15/04/2009 : 01:56:47
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Thank you so much Jan Peter! This is the family. You managed to accomplish in just a few hours what I have spent years trying to do. The missing pieces in Norway are filled. You are to be commended.
All this information will put the family history in its proper perspective, rather than second and third hand information. The story had been that she came to the States with her sister. Now I know it was actually her mother. I had no idea her mother had ever lived in this country. This now sets me on another course.
Once again, thank you so much. |
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Juanita Kronen
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29 Posts |
Posted - 17/04/2009 : 18:17:33
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In the 1865 Census there are a few words that I'm unable to translate. The farm name is listed as Børsøren Strandsiddersted*. Børsøren I understand to be the farm name...but what is "Strandsiddersted."
The other word I'm stuck on is "paastaabner." That was the occupation listed for Jens Sørensen.
I'd be grateful for any help.....Thanks |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 17/04/2009 : 18:22:51
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Hi,
Strandsiddersted means a place/location near the seashore.
Paastaabner would be sub-postmaster
Jan Peter
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Juanita Kronen
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Posted - 18/04/2009 : 03:38:07
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Jan Peter,
Thanks for the translations. Your assistance is invaluable.
Thank you. |
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Juanita Kronen
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Posted - 21/04/2009 : 08:40:17
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I found the engagement record for Søren Jenssen Skiølberg, dated 1795 in Orkdal. His soon to be wife, Marith Larsd was born in 1767 on "Haageslokken." I'm having a hard time finding this family using this particular spelling. Has anyone ever heard of this place....and what could the other spelling variations be?
I have found other records related to this family with the names Hoeg, Hogh and Høghstu, but those were from Børsa.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 21/04/2009 : 15:33:45
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Haagensløkken in Orkdal is mentioned in the 1900 census too. Not much to find on Haagensløkken online (tried Haagenslokken and Hågensløkken too), it was an emigration from Haagensløkken in 1875 to Minneapolis, Minn.
Søren Jensen and Marith Larsdatter married June 25. in Svorkmo church from 1675, taken by the big flood on 2. day in Whitsun 1816.
The church belonged to Løkken Copper Works, Haagen (Hågen) is a mans name. Løkken means paddock (Haagens paddock).
Løkken Copper Works est. 1652 is named after farm Løkken.
If there is any connection concerning these names I don´t know.
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Juanita Kronen
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Posted - 22/04/2009 : 08:08:21
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Thank you Kåre for the input. After a further search I think I may have located them In the Ekstraskatten for Orkdal 1762. There is a Lars Løkken and Marit Joensdtr Løkken from Engen. And also on Schiølberg. Perhaps they are the parents of Marith Larsd?
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2009 : 09:51:30
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In 1762 Lars Løkken was a cottager and "Inderster" related to the owner of farm Engen (Meadow) as his wife and daughter Jodda Larsdr. The relationship was likley Marit Joensdatter brother Jørgen Joensen "Self Eier", Free farmer on Engen.
Ekstraskatten was an extra Tax reqiured by king Fredrik V of Denmark/Norway . He needed money for a possible war against Russia in northern Holstein in Germany.
Ekstraskatten was one Riksdaler, a large sum of money, for every person from age 12, the 1762 census is a resault of this "Ekstraskatt".
In 1765 the tax was redused to two Riksdaler for a household.
In 1772 the tax, hated by all, was terminated in Norway, in Denmark "ekstraskatten" was permanent to 1812.
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Juanita Kronen
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Posted - 22/04/2009 : 13:27:04
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I'm sure glad you provided me with the explanation/translation of Ekstraskatten. I failed to translate the word before I went through a lengthy search and wasted a lot of time doing so. That eplains why I was unable to find Søren Jensen Schiølberg....because he was born in 1760!
Thanks for the reply. |
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Juanita Kronen
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Posted - 10/06/2009 : 16:23:14
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Could I please get someone to help me out with #26 column 3, and also the name of the father of the bride. I have tried but all I can decipher is Mons.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 10/06/2009 : 20:41:17
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Johan Ratke (39) & Malina Monsdr (24)
Marriage: 21 Sep 1830, Hitra, Sør-Trøndelag
His father: Georg Ratke
Her father: Mons Jacobsen
Census-1865
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Juanita Kronen
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 04:15:54
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Thanks for that Jan Peter, it is important for me to get the last name of Mons. I sure couldn't make out Jacobsen.
How about column 3..what does that say Is that the birth location of Johan?
Thank you.
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Scholberg's from Sor-Trondelag
