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Gloria Einfeld
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 Posted - 01/11/2011 : 04:32:45
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Looking for any information on my grandfather. He was born in Tistedalen (near Halden) Norway. Think his father was Karl Ludvig Johannsen or (Karl Andersen Sr.). His mother was Karoline. His father left the family when Karl was young on a fishing boat and never returned. The mother raised him till she died in 1920. Can someone confirm this? Also he has a cousin who went to Minnesota but don't know her name. I know Grandpa was born in 1892.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 01/11/2011 : 06:32:41
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Hi,
Your grandpa was born when?
Where did he live in America?
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 01/11/2011 : 09:17:26
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More info would be fine, like
- what year did he come to US?
- was Karl his only given name?
- family name for his mother Karoline?
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Hopkins
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2011 : 18:05:14
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Hi,
Well there is at least one Karl Anderson with a close birthdate (one day off) to the Karl in the 1910 Norwegian census, this from www.rootsweb.com SSDI:
ANDERSON, KARL 29 Jan 1892 Mar 1965 73 (Illinois) (none specified) Illinois 318-07-8744
And here is a Karl Andersen also born 1892 but not as close in date:
ANDERSEN, KARL 15 Sep 1892 Oct 1970 78 98107 (Seattle, King, WA) (none specified) Washington 538-01-9620
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 01/11/2011 18:11:57 |
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Gloria Einfeld
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 06:16:25
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My grandfather was born Sept 15, 1892 and died in 1970 in Seattle, WA. I'm not sure when he immigrated to US, because he was a seaman.
How can I find out if he was born nearby if Tistedalen records don't match? |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 08:06:20
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Hi.
I think he was bap. Carl Carlsen - Karl Karlsen born to Carl-Karl Ludvig Johannesen (Andersen) and Caroline - Karoline (unknown lastname)
Tistedalen is nearby Halden, named Fredrikshald from 1665-1928, and is included in Halden.
Tistedalen was a saw mill site ab. 2,5 Miles outside Halden.
Tistedalen 1885.
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 03/11/2011 08:08:33 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 03/11/2011 : 08:30:16
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He em. after 1920 when his mother died
Both he and his mother should be in the 1910 census for Norway.
His father left on a fishing boat when he was young.
Do you know if it was before 1900?
A shot in the dark.
The names match fairly , but most likely wrong since the date of his birth don´t.
Karl Birger Karlsen b. Oct. 10. bap. Nov. 15. 1885 in Halden.
Parents; shipmaster Karl ludvig Pedersen b. 1853 and Mathilde Karoline Amundsen b. 1853.
Kåre |
Edited by - Kåarto on 03/11/2011 08:38:19 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
5861 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2011 : 08:46:19
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Hi,
did Karl use the the middle name Johan in America?
I have a good candidate for you from Asak, Berg in Halden born out of wedloc Sept 15. 1892 bap. Nov. 13 in Berg church in Halden (Asak got it´s own church 1893)
Asak is ab. 1 Mile nort from Tistedalen.
Karl Johan Johannesen (Andersen) born to bachelor and seaman Johan Andersen b. 1871 from Gothenburg in Sweden and Maid Karoline Emile Pettersen b. Oct. 26.1868, see #18
Caroline Emilies parents were Petter Johannesen and Anne Andersdatter.
Karl Johan Andersen born Sept. 15. 1892 from Berg in Smål. (Smaalenene, former name on Østfold County until 1912) em. to New York Feb. 18.1921, see here |
Edited by - Kåarto on 03/11/2011 14:02:36 |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
7765 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2011 : 13:48:03
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Hi
Of the 40 Karl / Carl Anderson b. Norway found in the US Fed Census living in Washington, this one is the closest in age, immigration year, etc, at www.familysearch.org:
Name: Karl J Anderson
Event: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Seattle, King, Washington
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Birthplace: Norway
Estimated Birth Year: 1893
Immigration Year: 1920
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Enumeration District Number: 0103
Family Number: 33
Sheet Number and Letter: 1B
Line Number: 91
NARA Publication: T626, roll 2497
Film Number: 2342231
Digital Folder Number: 4547448
Image Number: 01043
Household Gender Age
Karl J Anderson M 37
Spouse Elizabeth M Anderson F 26
Child Karl J Anderson M 0
Here is the marriage record of the couple above from 1928 at Washington State Secretary of State Digital archives:
http://media.digitalarchives.wa.gov/WA.Media/jpeg/3CEC6E000E1058089DDEF9AD4F16D2C5_1.jpg
At www.genealogybank.com, historical newspapers, filtered to just Washington papers, there are two partial obits for Karl J. Andersen (mentioning surviving spouse Elizabeth and son Karl J.) on & about 19 Oct 1970; there is also a marriage license issued for the couple in 1928, and birth announcement for a daughter of Karl J. Andersen in 1962.
Jackie M. |
Edited by - jkmarler on 03/11/2011 14:03:03 |
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jkmarler
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Gloria Einfeld
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 07:09:27
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I'm impressed at how quick you all figured this out. Thanks to all.
My grandfathers middle name is Johan. And he was married to Elizabeth in Seattle in 1928. Asak is certainly close to Tistedalen.
I did not know they were not married, guess that was omitted when I was young. I do know the father disappeared when my grandfather was a child.
Can you see if his father was in the 1900 census elsewhere or is the name too common? I've often wondered if there was another family.
Did Norway have a census before 1900?
Also there is another person in the household of same last name, Edla
Can you tell why she is there? My grandfather has a cousin living in Minnesota and I wonder if that is the same person. Does she have the same name Andersen? |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 08:45:30
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Also there is another person in the household of same last name, Edla
- Edla is a swedish citizen, lodging with the household.
Karl Johans father, Johan Andersson, was also a swedish citizen, born in Gøteborg. He would not be found in the 1865 census in Norway.
His mother was born too late to be in the 1865 census, her parents Johan Petter Johannesen and Anne Marie Andersdatter will be in the census. See Petter Johannes.
Johan Petter Johannesen was born June 9 1837, see last record. His parents were Johannes Nielsen and Christine Jacobsdatter, Johnsrød under Norbye nordre.
Caroline Emilies parents, Peter Johannesen, Jonserød (= Johan Petter Johannesen) and Anne Andersdatter (Anne Marie Andersdatter) were not married when Caroline Emilie was born Oct 26 1868, the marriage record is #18 - married Dec 11 1868.
Anne Marie Andersdatter would be 23- 24 years in the 1865 census, only one meets this age, she was a servant born in Sweden, see Anne M..
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Edited by - eibache on 04/11/2011 22:41:43 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 10:04:56
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Hi, I am glad we found him.
I can´t find his father in the 1900 census, there were several Johan Andersen born Sweden with another occupation.
Karoline and Karl Johan in 1900:
Karoline Johannesen and young Karl Johan Andersen on farm Olafsborg in Berg parish.
Petter Johannesen was now Johan Peter Vennerstrøm born in Id parish in Østfold 1850 and Anna Andersdatter was Anna Katrine Vennesrstrøm born 1857 in Sweden, 6 children incl. Karoline, see here
Olafsborg had an extra house leased by another family, that´s why so many people lived there.
Correction:
Karolines father is listed above her as widower Johan Peter Johannesen b. 1840.
Also see my correction on next page.
Asak 1910.
Karl Johan Andersen and his mother Karoline Johannesen on farm Mellevil in Asak, Karl Johan was a sawmillworker, his mother washed and helped in the house, see link for 1910
Being a sawmillworker in Asak 1910, Tistedalen ab. 1 Mile north was a sawmill site.
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Edited by - Kåarto on 04/11/2011 15:20:59 |
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 04/11/2011 : 13:57:06
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Petter Johannesen was now Johan Peter Vennerstrøm born in Id parish in Østfold 1850 and Anna Andersdatter was Anna Katrine Vennesrstrøm born 1857 in Sweden, 6 children incl. Karoline, see here
Olafsborg had an extra house leased by another family, that´s why so many people lived there.
- I believe this needs a little more investigations.
In my posting 04/11/2011 : 08:45:30 I looked for the marriage of Karoline Emilies parents and found that the widower Johan Peter Andersen, born approx 1840, was married to Anne Marie Andersdatter 1868 - they were Karolines parents.
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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7765 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2011 : 14:24:01
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Hi,
Here is the info re: the 1900 Norwegian census on Karoline, Karl and Karoline's father Johan Peter Johanneson:
Johan Peter Johannes. m b hf e Smedbrugsarbeider 1840 t n s
2979 Karoline Johannes. k b d ug Steller huset for sin far 1868 t n s
2980 Karl Johan Anders. m b s ug Dattersøn 1892 t n s
2981 x Edla Anders. k b el ug Væveriarbeiderske 1879 Sverige svensk
They were living at the same place as the Vennterstens but no other relationship is known. Otherwise I'm not sure I understand what the last post was about.
In Karl's birth / baptism Karonline's name was given as Petterson which makes sense since her father is Johan Peter. I've seen that kind of confusion with 2 name first names before.
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