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Joshuastendahl
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  01:24:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In that marriage record it indicates that Niels is dead before the marriage.
I also see that Johanes is listed as living at a residence titled Guthuus and born in Rommedal
It lists Elen as living at Frang and born in Rommedal.

This would mean though that Niels is dead in 1828.

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lyndal40
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  01:43:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think you are right about Elen being born in Romedal. Here is her likely baptism record

Elen Hansen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Elen Hansen
[Elen Erichsen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 27 sep 1801
Baptism Place: Romedal,Hedmark,Norway
Father: Hans Erichsen
Mother: Sitzel Larsdr
FHL Film Number: 124364

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Edited by - lyndal40 on 28/10/2018 02:32:17
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Joshuastendahl
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  01:45:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The only other reference i can find to a Johannes Nielsen is here.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058241003341

1801 census but lists a different father - Niels Halvorson.
Thoughts?

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Joshuastendahl
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  01:50:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The last post there that seems to be quite a ways from Romedal so probably someone else.

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lyndal40
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  01:54:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I suspect that Niels was dead before the 1801 Census. This could be the family in the 1801 Census.

Link

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Joshuastendahl
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  01:57:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I found something that might indicate Hans Erichsen and Sitzel Larsdatter were married July 18th, 1801 in Romedal.
Just need to find the actual record.

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lyndal40
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  02:36:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A good find, but the date looks like July 13, 1801 to me. See number 10.

#10

Based on the farm name of Finstad associated with Hans Erichsen when he was married, I would think that this is him in the 1801 Census. Out on his own so no parents named. I would also think that that is his future wife Sidsel Larsdtter directly below him in the Cessus list.

1801

Based on the Census record this is likely the baptism record for Sidsel.

Sidsel Larsdatter
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Sidsel Larsdatter
[Sidsel Johansen]
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 10 jan 1779
Baptism Place: Hedmark, Norway
Father: Lars Johansen
Mother: Marte Andersdr
FHL Film Number: 124371

Original record is in Stnage, fourth record down on left page

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Likely the marriage record for Lars and Marta

Lars Johansen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Lars Johansen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 22 nov 1771
Marriage Place: Stange, Hedmark, Norway
Spouse: Marte Andersdr
FHL Film Number: 124371

Original record upper right hand corner.

Link

Lars and Marta in the 1801 Census

1801

And perhaps the baptism record for Hans. Original record is in Stange, lower right hand corner

Hans Erichsen
in the Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927
Name: Hans Erichsen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 8 feb 1778
Baptism Place: Hedmark, Norway
Father: Erich Hansen
Mother: Eli Christophersdr
FHL Film Number:

Link

This looks promising for a marriage record. Note it is in Stange

Erich Hansen
in the Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926
Name: Erich Hansen
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 4 nov 1774
Marriage Place: Stange, Hedmark, Norway
Spouse: Eli Christophersdr
FHL Film Number: 124371

Lower right hand corner

Link

Edited by - lyndal40 on 28/10/2018 02:51:25
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Joshuastendahl
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Posted - 28/10/2018 :  22:06:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So I'm thinking this might be a sibling to Hans Erichsen... Christopher.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7YW-DZ6

I'm also seeing a burial record and i believe it might be the same person. Looks like may have died in infancy.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000000613156


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Joshuastendahl
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Posted - 01/04/2020 :  16:49:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can someone tell me what a Føderaadsmanden is? I cannot find reference to it.

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lyndal40
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Posted - 01/04/2020 :  16:54:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
føderådsmann man on "føderåd"
(see "kårmann")

føderåd support received after giving ones estate to another,
the retirement agreement, also named as "kår" = kaar"
Kår - føderåd
a sort of pensioner, receiving support from new owners
of the farm by contract made on the sale
(see "kår")

https://otjoerge.wordpress.com/norwegian-american-dictionary/f-j/#F

Edited by - lyndal40 on 01/04/2020 16:56:01
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lyndal40
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Posted - 01/04/2020 :  16:59:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The meaning of føderåd has been discussed many times on this site. You can put føderåd in the search box above and look through the discussions. Here some I came acrosss.

http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5109&SearchTerms=f%F8der%E5d

http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2330&SearchTerms=f%F8der%E5d

Edited by - lyndal40 on 01/04/2020 17:01:34
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Joshuastendahl
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Posted - 01/04/2020 :  17:36:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well here is where I'm stuck and why i was asking about the Føderaadsmanden.

Niels Larsen is the Grandfather of Hans Johnson, where I started this thread. Often in the Digital Archive he's referred to as Corporal Niels Larsen. He's married to Marthe Sevaldsdatter and they have three children Lars, Johannes, and Simon. Johannes is Hans Johnson's Father, Hans immigrated to the United States. Where I'm stuck is finding birth and death information on Niels.

So for the family the last reference i can find for Corporal Lars Nielsen is on Simon's birth record. Simon is born in February of 1800 in Romedal Parish. In the 1801 Census the Family's head is Marthe Sevaldsatter and shows her status as Widowed. The three boys are all listed.

I found a death record for a Niels Larsen; buried September 3rd, 1799. It lists him as age 68; his position was a “Føderaadsmanden”… This is in Romedal, though unsure whether or not that is the same Niels. It does show his residence as Busvold. It’s possible he was older than Marthe and it would be possible for Simen to be born in February. If this is Niels it would mean he was born about 1731.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/267/pg00000000432654

There is a birth record for a Niels Larsen, February 13th, 1735 from Akershus; Ulensaker Parish. Father is Lars Hansen and mother is Anne Nielsdatter. It’s speculative only but Ulensaker to Romesdal is 80 km and given he was military it wouldn’t be out of the question he might have moved around a bit. When I do a search of the digital archive that’s the only birth record for a Niels Larsen that shows up between the years 1730 and 1735.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000006811994

Opening up my search a bit…
There is a birth record for Niels Larsen, July 24th, 1729 from Ostfold; Rakkestad Parish. Father is Lars, residence is Hougsteen… mother’s name and father’s last name are not given. But for the death record above I really can’t find much that would match up. This seems quite a ways away.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/255/pd00000014819271

I did find a military enlistment… this includes a Niels Larsen, listed as a Corporal… the military unit is listed as “Capitaine von Elderns Compagnie”. The Source information is “Military roll 1762 for Trondhjemske infantry regiment sent to Holstein.” If the Niels above is correct he would have been in his late 20’s early 30’s at this time. What’s kind of interesting to me about this reference is this is maybe where he got his Corporal moniker for later in life. I’m guessing the “sent to Holstein” references the Seven Years War, Norway-Denmark was neutral based on what I can see but Holstein is part of the Denmark Border so maybe there was a callup to reinforce the border in case the war spilled over. Kind of interesting but could be why he was referred to as Corporal for the rest of his life, kind of makes sense… if he was a veteran he might have just held onto his title. Also, back then it certainly wouldn’t have been out of the ordinary for an older man to marry a younger woman.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/44/pp00000000088062

So I'm ok navigating the digital archive but wondering if there is something I'm missing here or overlooked easily. Just trying to work through the connection as this is a dead end for me currently.
It doesn't make sense to me that he would have been living at another farm separate of the family but idk.



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lyndal40
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Posted - 01/04/2020 :  19:37:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your information would indicate that the Niels Larsen from Romedal was likely living on the farm Busvold. Føderaadsmanden means he was living on the farm with some sort of deal with the current owner that provides his some level of subsidy to live there.

You can search for Niels Larsen domicile Bsvold in Digitalarkivet. It does turn up quite a few hits.
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lyndal40
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Posted - 01/04/2020 :  19:50:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Is this the same as the marriage record above?
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/327/pv00000002024922


No one answered your earlier question but yes that is the same marriage record. And it indicates that Niels Larsen was dead at the time of the marriage
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lyndal40
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Posted - 01/04/2020 :  20:08:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And that brings me back to the 1801 Census I posted above,

"I suspect that Niels was dead before the 1801 Census. This could be the family in the 1801 Census.

Link "

Have you investigated that family.

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/en/census/person/pf01058238000717
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