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arnebraat
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Norway
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 Posted - 06/08/2013 : 10:55:50
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Hi! I'm searching relatives in USA. Two of my grandfather's siblings emigrated from Norway to Minnesota and moved on to North Dakota. One of them left Norway in 1900 and the other one in 1904. I have searched the Ellis Island records and different sources through FamilySearch Library and Ancestry.com. I also have some very limited information from my grandfather from the 1950's.
I have discoverd that one of the emigrants, Karoline (Lina) Amundsen married a George Gilbertson and got four children. I can follow the family through different US censuses. Sometimes she is also named Lena. I also discovered that one of the four children, Gladys Gilbertson born in 1914, married George Montgomery born in 1910. The marriage took place in 1942 in Glasgow, Montana. After 1940 it is difficult to find records except for death records. George Gilbertson died in 1947 and Caroline in 1954. They are buried at Bethel Lutheran Cemetery in Bergen, North Dakota. This I found in the database of Find a Grave.
And by luck I also found a website on faqs.org with People Search. Then I could browse surnames in US death records. I discovered a George Montgomery, birth in 1910 and death in 2001, and a Gladys Montgomery, birth in 1914 and death in 1997. Both had been living in Minot, ND. Her zipcode was 58701 and his was 58702. Maybe he moved after her death.
To me this seems to be a possible match. I also found some information on a website for the Montgomery Family. It says that George Montgomery was married to Gladys Gilbertson, and he was active in the Lutheran Church where he was a Sunday School Teacher. But there was no information about her or if they had any children. I have tried to get in contact with some of the churches in Minot, but without any "solution" so far.
Does anybody know anything about this family and if there are any descendants? Or has a hint about what to try next?
With regards
Arne Bråten
2053 Jessheim
Norway
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 15:06:47
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There is an obituary for George Ransom Montgomery ( 19 Feb 1910 - 14 Sep 2001) in the Minot Daily from 18 Sep 2001.
Gladys L Montgomery (10 Jan 1914 - 26 Jun 1997)
Mouse River farmers press
Towner, McHenry County, N.D.
Oct 1st, 1942
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Edited by - jwiborg on 06/08/2013 15:20:32 |
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arnebraat
Junior member
Norway
30 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 15:48:19
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Thank you very much! I've started to make a synopsis about the traces I found after Petter and Karoline, and this could be a nice illustration as well as a documnettation of my findings.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 15:51:58
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Gladys had a sister named Elma Gilbertson.
Source: Various articles in Mouse River farmers press.
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arnebraat
Junior member
Norway
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 16:13:12
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Yes, I know. I have found three of four children married, Garfield, Elma and Gladys. But not a trace of Clarence, the fourth child. I have also found the graveyard for George and Lena (Caroline) ( Bethel Lutheran Cemetery in Bergen, ND), and the gravestone for Garfield with wife Matilda (Mathilde Herbransen) in Sunset Memorial Gardens in Fargo. The source is Find a Grave. I'm not very trained in finding sources, so a link to various articles would be most appreciated. Now I'm eager to find out if there is any descendant of George and Lena. Elma married Floyd Zimmermann, and by the cencus in 1940 they are in Roosvelt, Montana. They had two children, Lois M 3 years and Donald L 1 year. Due to the fact that they already had two children in 1940, it would probably be easier to find one of them, but by luck I managed to trace the death of George and Gladys, so hopefully I might find some descendants around Minot.
Arne
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 16:22:49
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One of the other children, Garfield Gilbertson seems to be of a Ancestry.com Family Tree. He is listed as
Garfield Gilbertson
Birth 24 APR 1907 in Verendrye, ND
Death 2 NOV 1972 in Velva, ND
Married to
Mathilda Herbranson
Birth 15 MAY 1896 in Kindred, ND
Death 26 JUN 1974 in Minot, ND
The tree is owned by
joneye2020
Last log in: Over a year ago
Same information is found here.
http://www.sharedtree.com/family/1639740 |
Edited by - AntonH on 06/08/2013 16:23:14 |
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
4961 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 16:36:35
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Mouse River Journal, Towner, North Dakota
November 9, 1972
Garfield Gilbertson, (24 Apr 1907 - 02 Nov 1972)
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arnebraat
Junior member
Norway
30 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 16:48:32
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Thank you very much both of you! Particularly articles from newspapers give life to the people I have been searching.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 16:54:25
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The only relatives of Garfield living in November 1972 was:
- His wife Mathilda Gilbertson
- His step-daughter Helen Walla. (Husband Herman Walla born about 1911 in N.D.)
- His sister Gladys L Montgomery from Minot, ND.
- His sister Elma Zimmermann from Poplar, Mont.
Thus; Clarence Gilbertson born ab. 1913 must be dead by Nov 1972.
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 17:19:05
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I wonder if this might be Lolyd Zimmerman with the L changed to an F? Poplar is a town in Roosevelt Montana.
1940 United States Federal Census
Name: Floyd A Zimmerman
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Minnesota
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Wolf Point, Roosevelt, Montana
Map of Home in 1940:
Street: Custer
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: Rural, Roosevelt, Montana
Residence in 1935: Rural, Roosevelt, Montana
Sheet Number: 8B
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 166
Occupation: Truck Driver
House Owned or Rented: Rented
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 20
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 40
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in Government work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 42
Income: 1000
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Floyd A Zimmerman 32
Elma B Zimmerman 30
Lois M Zimmerman 3
Donald L Zimmerman 1
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arnebraat
Junior member
Norway
30 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 17:54:48
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Thank you, Lyndal40. Yes, I think it must be the same person. Maybe his name was Lloyd, because in the US cencus in 1910 he is also called Lloyd in the primary source. Link: http://interactive.ancestry.com/7884/31111_4330238-00811?backurl=&ssrc=&backlabel=Return
And Jan Peter: Does your assumption excludes any other relatives today? For example that Gladys and George had any children? Or if David L or Lois M had children?
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 18:33:23
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Lloyd E Zimmerman (28). Residence: Poplar, MT, Born: Elizabeth, MN, Parents: Dave Zimmerman & Martha Balken
Elma Gilbertson (26). Residence: Verendry, ND, Born: Verendry, ND, Parents: George Gilbertson & Lenna Amundson
Marriage: 27 May 1936, Plentywood, Sheridan, MT
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arnebraat
Junior member
Norway
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 18:40:57
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Thank you! Yes, and their children born in 1937 and 1939 (see lyndal40) could be something to try finding. Maybe I should try som phone books for Montana.
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 19:31:19
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Back in an edit to delete the records for Clarence - as he has now been found.
A Clarence K. Gilbertson died 1939 is buried at Bethel Lutheran Cemetery, Bethel, McHenry, North Dakota, per this Find a Grave memorial:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=GI&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=30&GScntry=4&GSsr=681&GRid=7916727&
1910
Lebanon, McHenry, North Dakota
George Gilbertson 30
Lena Gilbertson 33
Garfield Gilbertson 2
Alma B Gilbertson 8 months
1920
Falsen, McHenry, North Dakota,
George Gilbertson 39 born in Norway
Lena Gilbertson 43 born in Norway
Garfield Gilbertson 13 born in North Dakota
Alma Gilbertson 10 born in North Dakota
Clarence Gilbertson 7 born in North Dakota
Gladys Gilbertson 6 born in North Dakota
1930
Lebanon, McHenry, North Dakota
Gilbert Gilbertson 50
Lina Gilbertson 53
Garfield Gilbertson 22
Alma B Gilbertson 20
Clarance T Gilbertson 18 - born about 1912 in North Dakota <---
Gladys T Gilbertson 16
1940
Velva, McHenry, North Dakota
George Gilbertson 60 born in Norway
Lena Gilbertson 65 born in Norway
Gladys Gilbertson 26 daughter born in North Dakota
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arnebraat
Junior member
Norway
30 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2013 : 20:03:13
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Thank you very much! It could be, but this guy has Hans and Julia as parents. Even if some records are inaccurate, I don't think that could be an error writing for George and Lena or Lina. I havn't searched for George Gilbertson's origin, but he entered the US from Norway 1 year old in 1881. He was porbably a Jørgen Gulbrandsen before the family emigrated.
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jwiborg
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 06/08/2013 : 20:38:30
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Lloyd Abraham Zimmerman, born January 10, 1908 in Elizabeth, MN; died April 19, 1981 in Hiawatha, KS; married (1) Elma; married (2) Elma Gilbertson January 27, 1936 in Plentywood, Montana; born August 02, 1909 in Verandryi, North Dakota; died July 12, 1991 in Hiawatha, KS.
Source
Lloyd & Elma Zimmerman are buried at Mount Hope Cemetery, Hiawatha, Brown County, Kansas.
There is one Donald Zimmerman in Hiawatha, KS today. He is born 1939, which fits with the 1940-census from Wolf Point, Roosevelt, MT. He seems to be married to Sharon Zimmerman, born 1946.
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Edited by - jwiborg on 06/08/2013 20:58:01 |
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Try to find descendants of Lena Gilbertson, ND
