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Kåarto
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 Posted - 14/01/2014 : 20:26:26
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Unni Bjelle also had a half-brother on Bjelle, Ole Johannesen age 7 in 1865
Kåre
One last posting tonight, perhaps, while I have this links in front of me.
Unnis half-brother Ole Johannesen born out of wedloc on Bjelle/Bjelde Sept. 25. 1858.
His father was bachelor Johannes Johansen Fretland.
Ole J. and the mother Anne Pedersdatter Bjelde "M" Married emigrated with Unni and Ole to America April 1886 link
Leaving Stedje in Sogndal 1886.
See right page:
U (Bachelor) Ole Johannesen Bjelde is #7 and Ole, Unni and the children is #9-13, click here
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Edited by - Kåarto on 14/01/2014 20:48:44 |
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 20:28:23
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We're happy about it too. Debra!
In 1940 when Carrie lives in Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, her younger sister Anne is here:
1940
Stoughton, Dane, Wisconsin
124 West Randolph Street
Anna Erickson 57, widow, born about 1883 Norway
Arthur J Erickson 27
Gladys Erickson 25
George O Jorgenson 59, single, brother, born about 1881 Norway
**everyone lived in the same house in 1935 (a question on the 1940 census)
Anna (1883-1956) buried same cemetery as parents and brothers, at Riverside Cemetery in Stoughton, beside
John Erickson 1868-1916:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Erickson&GSfn=Anna&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=51&GScnty=3004&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=54732870&df=all&
Same cemetery, Riverside, this could be Anna's daughter
Gladys with married name Gladys Erickson Williams (1914-1988):
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Erickson&GSiman=1&GScid=88817&GRid=54732871&
This could be Anna's son Arthur memorial on Find-a-Grave:
Arthur J Erickson born 04 Jan 1913 died 26 Mar 1988 in Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, buried at Roselawn in Monona, wife Amanda M. Ellestad Landsness (1911 - 2002)
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Erickson&GSiman=1&GScnty=3004&GRid=69171684&
1910 US Census, as indexed on Ancestry.com,
in Stoughton, Dane, Wisconsin
gives Unni's name as "Euni Jorgenson" b abt 1854 in Norway Also there are George born about 1881 and Annie born about 1882.
Same cemetery as other family members - Riverside Cemetery - there's an Ole Bjelde buried. Since the mother Anna was buried as "Anna Bjelde," this certainly could be her son. The year of birth is off in the Find-a-Grave memorial, the birth day/month is close. (As posted by Kåre, "Unnis half-brother Ole Johannesen born out of wedloc on Bjelle/Bjelde Sept. 25. 1858.") Many Norwegian immigrants took their place name rather than their patronymic name as a surname - perhaps even more reason to do so in a family with out-of-wedlock births.
Find-a-Grave Ole Bjelde
Birth: Sep. 26, 1860
Death: Jun. 21, 1908
Burial: Riverside Cemetery, Stoughton, Dane, Wisconsin |
Edited by - JaneC on 14/01/2014 23:14:33 |
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DKeighley
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DKeighley
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Posted - 14/01/2014 : 23:39:26
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Originally posted by JaneC
We're happy about it too. Debra!
In 1940 when Carrie lives in Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, her younger sister Anne is here:
1940
Stoughton, Dane, Wisconsin
124 West Randolph Street
Anna Erickson 57, widow, born about 1883 Norway
Arthur J Erickson 27
Gladys Erickson 25
George O Jorgenson 59, single, brother, born about 1881 Norway
**everyone lived in the same house in 1935 (a question on the 1940 census)
Anna (1883-1956) buried same cemetery as parents and brothers, at Riverside Cemetery in Stoughton, beside
John Erickson 1868-1916:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Erickson&GSfn=Anna&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=51&GScnty=3004&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=54732870&df=all&
Same cemetery, Riverside, this could be Anna's daughter
Gladys with married name Gladys Erickson Williams (1914-1988):
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Erickson&GSiman=1&GScid=88817&GRid=54732871&
This could be Anna's son Arthur memorial on Find-a-Grave:
Arthur J Erickson born 04 Jan 1913 died 26 Mar 1988 in Madison, Dane, Wisconsin, buried at Roselawn in Monona, wife Amanda M. Ellestad Landsness (1911 - 2002)
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Erickson&GSiman=1&GScnty=3004&GRid=69171684&
1910 US Census, as indexed on Ancestry.com,
in Stoughton, Dane, Wisconsin
gives Unni's name as "Euni Jorgenson" b abt 1854 in Norway Also there are George born about 1881 and Annie born about 1882.
Same cemetery as other family members - Riverside Cemetery - there's an Ole Bjelde buried. Since the mother Anna was buried as "Anna Bjelde," this certainly could be her son. The year of birth is off in the Find-a-Grave memorial, the birth day/month is close. (As posted by Kåre, "Unnis half-brother Ole Johannesen born out of wedloc on Bjelle/Bjelde Sept. 25. 1858.") Many Norwegian immigrants took their place name rather than their patronymic name as a surname - perhaps even more reason to do so in a family with out-of-wedlock births.
Find-a-Grave Ole Bjelde
Birth: Sep. 26, 1860
Death: Jun. 21, 1908
Burial: Riverside Cemetery, Stoughton, Dane, Wisconsin
Most definitely "my" Carrie. Everything I have found (with her name as "Fisher" is in Stoughton.
I did find a Carrie Jorgensen in Minnesota in 1895, 4 years after her father died, at the age of 16 working as a "house girl". I would imagine it's the same person.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=mnstatecen&h=797796&ti=0&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t16179226_p347592011_kpidz0q3d347592011z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid |
Debra Keighley
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 01:57:18
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Ole J. and the mother Anne Pedersdatter Bjelde "M" Married emigrated with Unni and Ole to America April 1886 link
Kåre
Very exciting about finding Carrie's family, Debra! 
Emigrating with the group in 1886:
Peder Ludvigsen Espesæter born about 1875, age 11, born in Sogndal, last residence Sogndal, løskarl's child
Peter is #14 here (1886 emigrations, right-hand page, posted earlier by Kåre):
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070116310157.jpg
Peter is a half-brother to Carrie. Birth record says Peder was born 25 October 1874 parents unmarried Ludvig Larsen Amble (age 25) and Unni Nilsdtr Bjelle (age 24), illegitimate birth. One of the baptismal sponsors is Ole Johannessen Bjelle. Since Peter is Unni's son, he must be the "Peter Jorgensen" on the family tombstone in Stoughton.
#60:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070115370535.jpg
The person on the emigration record with occupation løskarl is Ole Johannesen Bjelle. A mistake? An adoption?
As Kåre posted, Unni married Ole Jørgensen Riselund in 1878. |
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DKeighley
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 02:14:59
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| So Kari/Carrie was the first of the Unni's children that she was married to the father. And that might be a bit murky since she was born in Sept 1878 and they were married in 1878. Now I'm curious to know WHEN in 1878! |
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JaneC
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 02:22:24
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Originally posted by Kåarto
Kari born on farm Reseland Sept. 4. 1878 in Stedje sub parish, Sogndal municipality, see down page #26
Kåre
Parents married 28 June 1878, posted earlier by Kåre, #8:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070116310087.jpg
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DKeighley
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 02:24:16
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Is there a way to know what ship they were on? I see it was on 20 April 1886 and part of the Allan Line; is there an indication of the ship's name and where they entered the US? Meaning, did they go through Liverpool?
Interestingly, I lived in Liverpool for 2 years and absolutely LOVED it. Maybe it's in my genetic code. hahaha |
Debra Keighley
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JaneC
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 02:29:39
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Originally posted by DKeighley
So Kari/Carrie was the first of the Unni's children that she was married to the father.
So far there's one child born to Unni (that we know of) before marriage and then came Kari. Other illegitimate births you maybe are remembering belong to Unni's mother Anna. |
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DKeighley
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 02:30:53
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| That's right. I am getting all mixed up! I've got it all printed out and I'm going to spread it out on my desk and see what I can put together. |
Debra Keighley
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JaneC
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 02:31:48
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Originally posted by DKeighley
Is there a way to know what ship they were on? I see it was on 20 April 1886 and part of the Allan Line; is there an indication of the ship's name and where they entered the US? Meaning, did they go through Liverpool? Interestingly, I lived in Liverpool for 2 years and absolutely LOVED it. Maybe it's in my genetic code. hahaha
Interesting! Check Departures database on this website.
The Allen line:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_shiplist.asp?co=allan |
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DKeighley
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 13:33:40
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| Is the date on the em. Record from Bergen the actual date of departure? |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 15:01:34
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Originally posted by DKeighley
Is the date on the em. Record from Bergen the actual date of departure?
Hi.
We must assume that April is correct.
Em. ship leaving Bergen 1886
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Edited by - Kåarto on 15/01/2014 15:23:41 |
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 15:11:57
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You`ve got a lot of info in a few hours after digging in 10 years and it may take some time to sort everything, every time you read through the pages parts of the puzzle will fall into place.
10 years can be a loooong time, but not in genealogy 
My family struggled for more than 100 years to solve a mysteri; who was Annes father, she was born out of wedloc 1801.
We knew that he was an officer and came to Telemark with a brother.
When we finally found out every piece fall into place.
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DKeighley
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Posted - 15/01/2014 : 15:23:33
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Excellent.
It's amazing when you find one missing clue how much falls into place. I'd looked for a long time for history on my paternal grandfather's side, and once I was able to find that answer it was like a flood of information at every turn. |
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Carrie Jorgensen, Sept 1879, Sogn
