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Kåarto
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 Posted - 18/04/2014 : 12:36:51
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Baard J. Lassehaug/Rokne is mentioned a couple of places on page 16 in the book Vossingen
There were several Rokne farms, Baard J.exchanged 1828 with Lars Mikkelsen Lassehaugen with Store Rokne (Big/Large Rokne)
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eibache
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/04/2014 : 16:03:50
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Jon Gitlesen (35 years old) recorded in 1868 as moved out from Nærheim to Stavanger 1860, see #5.
Nov 19 1868 Jægtefører John Gitlesen from Haa married Anne Christiansdatter from Stavanger, #66.
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Kåarto
Norway Heritage Veteran
Norway
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Posted - 18/04/2014 : 16:06:10
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Store Rokne ca 1920-30 link
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/04/2014 : 16:24:14
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Originally posted by eibache
Jon Gitlesen (35 years old) recorded in 1868 as moved out from Nærheim to Stavanger 1860, see #5.
Nov 19 1868 Jægtefører John Gitlesen from Haa married Anne Christiansdatter from Stavanger, #66.
Thanks for assist. So, for sure, the John Gitleson b 1832 on page one is eliminated. There are many, many John and Jonas Gitleson if you search at the new Digitalarkivet advanced search. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 18/04/2014 : 17:25:43
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Could be the family in the 1860 US Census. Occupation is sailmaker. Looking at the original, wife is named Signey.
1860 United States Federal Census
Name: John Gittisan
Age in 1860: 24
Birth Year: abt 1836
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1860: Chicago Ward 6, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Male
Post Office: Chicago
Value of real estate:
Household Members:
Name Age
John Gittisan 24
Legney Gittisan 26
Frank Gittisan 1 |
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Mlysmith
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USA
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Posted - 19/04/2014 : 00:28:05
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| I was just updating some stuff at Ancestry and found the source for Bergen as his place of birth, it's part of the info in his daughter Jennie's death info from the Illinois Death and Stillbirths index 1916-1947. I'll do some looking into the Stavanger info because that seems more reliable even though the sources are just 7 years apart. Water Street was the address for Gilbert Hubbard and I've got some info coming from Graceland on who's buried in the plot he owned. Thank you for all your diligence in trying to help me sort him out. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/04/2014 : 13:03:03
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| There is a database of 82,000 baptisms performed in Bergen, Norway 1816-1894 which could be searched to see if he was born there. |
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Mlysmith
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Posted - 19/04/2014 : 13:13:40
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| Yes, that is the family--I'll have to go look for that census, thank you so much!!. I wish the soundex was better on Ancestry because I keep trying all kinds of spellings and I'm still missing stuff. |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 19/04/2014 : 13:50:16
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From the pre-1916 illinois deaths database:
GETTLESON, SIGNI (MRS) 1881-07-21 CHICAGO 49 YR U 00006889 COOK
Her obit, such as it was, was published in the Daily Inter Ocean at Chicago, Illinois on Friday 22 July 1881, pg 8, under a column head "Died":
"Gettleson--July 21, at her residence, No. 29 Lincoln avenue, Mrs. John Gettleson. Funeral Sunday July 24 at 2:30pm by carriage to Graceland. Friends invited."
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 19/04/2014 : 14:24:03
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Originally posted by Mlysmith
I combed through the city directories for Chicago this morning and from 1861 on he's listed. So I have his home addresses which might help in finding him on the census. He worked for Gilbert Hubbard and Co for over 20 years so maybe that will lead somewhere as well.
What is the last year he appears in the city directories? |
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jkmarler
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/04/2014 : 16:34:02
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John married a second time and apparently that marriage went badly:
GETTLESON, JOHN TERHILSON, GESINE 1882-10-10 00065814 COOK
Lawsuit first reported in 1885, here from the Washington, D.C. Evening Star pg 3 4 Nov 1885 Title "Matrimonial Misery" sub title " A Young Wife Marries a Widower and Gets Into a 'Hornet's Nest' "
"Gesine Gettleson has filed a bill for separate maintenance in the circuit court, in Chicago, making charges against her husband, John Gettleson, of No. 29 Lincoln avenue. The latter who is over fifty years of age, is said to be worth $30,000, with an annual income of $3,000. The bill states that Gesine was induced to marry the defendant October 10, 1882, on the distinct understanding that his eldest son, Frank, was not to live in the house, and that the other children were to be satisfied with their new stepmother. Mr. Gettleson was then a widower with four children--Frank, aged twenty-six years, a salesman, and three daughters, Carrie, Annie, and Jennie, aged respectively nineteen, seventeen and fourteen years. He assured her, she states, that the children were all satisfied with his proposed union with her.
A few days after the wedding the husband, it is alleged, proposed a separation and a divorce, he not intending to defend the suit, if she began it. She rejected this offer, she states, but had an 'awful' time between the stepchildren and the husband who sided with them against her. They treated her in a 'mean, disrespectful and contemptuous manner,' she claims, refused to eat at the same table with her. After a consultation, she states, at which the youngest girl, Jennie, had the most to say, they all agreed to commence more active hostilities against her, and in pursuance of that refused her food, deprived her of her clothes, threatened to shoot her and locked her out of her house, so that she was forced to leave the house on November 20, 1882, six weeks after the wedding.
From that day until August 18 last the family spread false rumors about her, she avers, and defamed her character, but on that day she installed herself once more at the house on Lincoln avenue. She could stand it but a few days as they peeped in through the transom when she undressed, making loud and vulgar remarks at the same time, she says, and strewed pepper on her bed sheets, took away the covers of the bed and finally locked her out, throwing her clothes into the yard. Altogether her husband furnished her but $1.01, and has, it is alleged, threatened to leave the state and dispose of his property if she should sue him in court. To prevent this Judge Moran issued an injunction against Mr. Gettleson."
Virtually this same article was printed in the Saturday 7 Nov 1885 edition of the Utica (New York) Morning Herald on pg 2, col 3 titled "A Stepmother's Trials." Some details are added, John Gettleson's age is given as 51 rather than the over fifty above.
And further were reported in 10 Jan 1886 Daily Inter Ocean, Chicago, Ill page 5 of first section, title "Other Suits" subtitle "The Gettleson's Troubles. Serious Charges Against a Wife"
"Affidavits were filed yesterday in the Circuit Court in the separate maintenance case of Mrs. Gesine Gettleson against John Gettleson, the wealthy ship chandler, by Gettleson and his eldest daughter, Carrie Bishop. Mrs. G. in her bill claimed that her husband and his three daughters were cruel to her. Mr. Gettleson and his daughter tell a different story and blame the wife. He says that his first wife died in 1881, after being married twenty-three years. As he had three daughters he chose his present wife, who was a seamstress earning $1.50 a day, because he thought she could give them good advice. No sooner were they married than she demanded a monthly allowance, saying that she knew of rich men who allowed their wives $150 a month. Mr. Gettleson stated that he was unable to allow her anything like that amount, and tried to get her to give up the idea. She next wanted his first wife's pictures taken out of the parlor. He says she is of a very jealous disposition, and even hated to see him caress his daughters. She would at times sulk in her room for days. She wanted his daughters put out to service, but he refused this. After six weeks of married life she went away. After three years absence she returned and said she had had the advice of lawyers and was determined to assert her rights. After a short absence she again left. Mrs. Gettleson next swears that he never told his wife that he was worth $30,000. He says he only owns one house, No. 29 Lincoln avenue. His children, however inherited several houses from their mother. He is working for George B. Carpenter & Co, at a salary of $23 a week. Besides confirming her father's statements, the eldest daughter, Carrie Bishop, says that she soon found that her stepmother was frivolous and given to reading light literature. She exerted a bad influence on the youngest daughter. On one occasion she said to the girl: 'It is now time to dress your hair on top of your head and wear long dresses, so you can go out on the street and look about to catch a fellow.' On another occasion, when the family were trying to read in the library, the new wife and mother went to the piano and strummed for over an hour on a single key. Refusing to desist Mr. Gettleson left the house. Finally his eldest son Frank lifted her hands from the keys, when she sprang up and charged him with having drawn blood, and started to go for the police. She left the house and Jennie Gettleson locked the door behind her. She returned the next day with her two brothers-in-law, one of whom took off his coat and started to thrash Frank, but Mr. Gettleson separated them."
In the Sunday, 17 Jan 1886 issue of the Daily Inter Ocean on pg 6 was this item:
"JOHN GETTLESON'S GOOD CHARACTER"
George B. Carpenter, of the firm of George B. Carpenter & Co., ship chandlers, has interested himself in the separate maintenance suit of Gesine Getleson against John Gettleson by filing an affidavit in favor of defendant. Affiant's firm are successors to Gilbert, Hubbard & Co. Gettleson was employed by the latter firm for twenty-five years. Mr. Carpenter speaks of Gettleson as an honest, truthful and quiet man, always industrious and well behaved. Since the unfortunate troubles caused by complainant, he adds, Gettleson has been greatly worried and his life saddened, and that he has rapidly grown old and shown in a marked degree how heavily these troubles have weighed upon him."
The last report on the Gettleson vs Gettleson case was reported on 25 May 1889. What the final outcome of the suit is not clear--I didn't find any other reference in the newspaper database after 1889. Gesine Gettleson lived until 1922 and died with the Gettleson name. John Gettleson is listed as her spouse. Here is the link:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NQ59-KH3
This is likely Gesine in the 1860 census:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=22&filnamn=ft21001860&gardpostnr=3139&merk=3139#ovre
The whole lawsuit file, it if still exists, might have more of interest to understand the family dynamic.
The children were defendants in other suits filed in 1887 and 1888 by other parties. Not sure how they all ended either.
Further search for an obituary for John Gettleson has been unsuccessful in the database at genealogybank.com. It may be that the database doesn't include the Chicago paper in 1897. The database contains the Inter Ocean from 1874 to 31 Dec 1896. In the Cook County Deaths 1878-1922 database at familysearch.org, search for John Gettleson likewise unsuccessful. In the database there are a greater number than 1000 of John, (and all logical variants as well of female variations like Johanna) of every last name who died in 1897. |
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
USA
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Posted - 19/04/2014 : 16:56:31
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The Ancestry.com data base Norway, Select Baptisms, 1634-1927 is probably not at all complete, but it is readily searchable. Searching it for Jon* or Joh* born 1832 to 1836 male in Bergen finds no one named Git*. The only names that come close are these three. I tried the same search for Stavanger but did not find any close matches.
Name: Jonas Nicolaysen Gullaksen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 25 sep 1833
Baptism Date: 17 nov 1833
Baptism Place: Nykirken,Bergen,Hordaland,Norway
Death Date: 9 des 1833 (9 Dec 1833)
Father: Gullak Hansen
Mother: Marthe Lehne Olsdr
(Not found in 1865)
Name: Johannes Gautesen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 12 apr 1835
Baptism Place: Korskirken, Bergen, Bergen, Norway
Name Note: twin
Father: Gaute Johnsen
Mother: Pernille Johannesdatter
FHL Film Number: 123723
Reference ID: bk3 p114 cn45
(Not found in 1865)
Name: Adolf Johan Gamelsen
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 4 sep 1836
Baptism Place: Korskirken, Bergen, Bergen, Norway
Father: Gamel Pedersen Löndahl
Mother: Ane Marie Malthinesdatter
FHL Film Number: 123723
Reference ID: Bk3 P146 Cn86
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/04/2014 : 17:18:57
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If we broaden the search for Stavanger to include all of Rogaland we have only two. The first and of course the most promising has already been disproven.
Name: Jon Gitlesen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 28 apr 1832
Birth Place: Naereim,Rogaland,Norway
Father: Gitle Rasmusson
Mother: Inger Malena Olsdtr
FHL Film Number: 948.31H3 V26
(Found in 1865)
Name: Jonas Gulliksen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 27 jun 1833
Baptism Date: 30 jun 1833
Baptism Place: Helleland,Rogaland,Norway
Father: Gullik Christensen
Mother: Marte Borrildsdr
FHL Film Number: 126118
(Not found in 1865)
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 19/04/2014 : 17:32:14
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Using the same search parameters on Hordaland where Bergen is located turns up an additional two.
Name: John Gulliksen
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 30 aug 1834
Baptism Date: 21 sep 1834
Baptism Place: Voss,Hordaland,Norway
Father: Gulleik Eriksen
Mother: Gudve Larsdr
(Not found in 1865)
Name: Johan Daniel Galtung
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 30 des 1833 (30 Dec 1833)
Baptism Date: 5 jan 1834
Baptism Place: Strandebarm,Hordaland,Norway
Father: Johan Galtung
Mother: Johanne Margrethe Undal
FHL Film Number: 124699
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AntonH
Norway Heritage Veteran
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Posted - 20/04/2014 : 00:01:35
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If you search All Norway, Select Marriages, 1660-1926 results for Git* on Ancestry.com for the years 1835 +/- 5 years, it is clear that Gitle is a name found most likely in Hordaland or Rogaland.
Here is a list of males with the first name Gitle, who were marrried around the same time that John Gittleson was born.
View Record Name Marriage Date Marriage Place Relatives
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Gitle Christophersen
8 jul 1838 Kvinnherad, Hordaland, Norway Guro
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Gitle Danielsen
19 okt 1830 (19 Oct 1830) Finnoy,Rogaland,Norway Eli
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Gitle Nielsen
24 jun 1833 Strandebarm,Hordaland,Norway Christi
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Gitle Olson
22 mai 1830 (22 May 1830) Hole,Rogaland,Norway Anna Malena
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Gitle Olsen
7 apr 1831 Naerbo,Rogaland,Norway Anne Berte
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Gitle Svendsen
26 mai 1832 (26 May 1832) Tysnes, Hordaland, Norway Svend,
Anne Marie
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Gitle Torkildsen
2 sep 1836 Egersund,Rogaland,Norway Anne Gurine |
Edited by - AntonH on 20/04/2014 17:27:52 |
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Hit the wall--John Gittleson, Chicago
